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Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by ryanmarsh on Sunday January 30, 2022 @05:55PM (#30142116)
Updates are opt in. I wish I’d researched the v11 changes before upgrading though.
Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by simondotau on Sunday January 30, 2022 @06:48PM (#30142566)
Unless you can also downgrade, “opt-in” is a misnomer IMHO.
Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by hamlsandwich on Monday January 31, 2022 @12:05AM (#30144706)
Absolutely. This is the "ratchet effect" which is everywhere in software these days. The best you can do is defer clicking the ratchet forward for a while. You can't avoid it forever, and you can't ever turn it backwards.
Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by _flux on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:19AM (#30146106)
Many major operating system updates to computers of mobile phones are also "opt in" while not providing a way of downgrading—granted in the case of computers you can often "just" reinstall from scratch, possibly factory reset in many mobile phones has achieve the same?

Granted Tesla is pretty naggy about the updates should you choose to hold off. But as far as I know, it's not limiting any functionality should you choose to do that.

For example the Polar watch app simply says you need to update the app firmware to keep using the app: that's not opt-in.

Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by colejohnson66 on Monday January 31, 2022 @12:03AM (#30144694)
How? You’re not forced to, are you?[a] If you can research the changes and decide to hold off, it’s still opt-in.

[a]: Genuinely asking. I don’t own a Tesla

Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by watt on Monday January 31, 2022 @03:11AM (#30145696)
It nags you incredibly. Everytime you sit in the car, the pop-up is there, nagging to install now, or to schedule install overnight. The way out of the pop-up is a small [x] to close it. And the dialog is right back the next time, waiting until you (or somebody) will accidentally press the other button.

I have it sitting on that screen, nagging me, and, honestly, it's depressing.

Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by actinium226 on Monday January 31, 2022 @01:01AM (#30145088)
I do own a Tesla.

You're not forced to. The car will alert you when there's new software available and even download it when you're connected to wifi (which I never am because I live in an apt and park far from my actual apt), but you still need to decide when to schedule the install, because it can take 30-90 minutes to complete. The UX has not yet degraded to the point where Tesla decides 'eh, you don't need your car at 3am to go to the airport/hospital today.'

I do believe there are cases with critical bugs where Tesla can force the update.

I have the v11 update sitting on my car and I'm not installing it until I hear some of this stuff is fixed.

Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by jedberg on Monday January 31, 2022 @12:30AM (#30144881)
Because a lot of times you want to actually use the new thing for a while to see if it works for you. But with no way to go back, it's a one way door, so you better have access to someone else's Tesla if you want to just try it.
Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by colejohnson66 on Monday January 31, 2022 @12:36AM (#30144927)
A one way door is still opt in. Is it scummy? Sure. But is it not opt in? No. We can argue points without hyperbole.
Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by Mordisquitos on Monday January 31, 2022 @05:39AM (#30146602)
When the only way to fully understand the result of going through the door is irreversibly going through the door and hoping for the best, it is not opt-in. You do not have an opt, you have a guess.
Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by simondotau on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @05:13AM (#30175753)
Perfectly put.
Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by tlavoie on Monday January 31, 2022 @02:59AM (#30145616)
See P.T. Barnum's, "This Way to the Egress" http://www.ptbarnum.org/egress.html
Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by kwhitefoot on Monday January 31, 2022 @07:50AM (#30147355)
The problem is that it is all or nothing. You can't accept each new feature separately only all of them at once.
Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by bayindirh on Sunday January 30, 2022 @05:57PM (#30142133)
Regardless of the platform and device, updates are opt-in until a critical feature requires the latest version to even work (effectively deprecating the older versions).
Re:A UX designer walks into a Tesla Bar by m463 on Sunday January 30, 2022 @10:15PM (#30144064)
That's just untrue.

Telsa will eventually push an update through to your car over cellular. (or during service, when your car will automatically connect to the tesla service center wifi)