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Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit?

With all the troubles he faces at work, his manager incompetence.

Why doesn't Dilbet quit, move to another enterprise or embark on his own start-up?

Why do I have to watch him everyday, being humiliated, teased and frustrated?

Why doesn't he quit?

I pitty him!

( 33 comments | 34 points | on HN )
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by denglish on Thursday September 11, 2008 @09:51AM (#301382)
The thing I've come to realise recently is that most people in IT are resigned to the fact that they work for money and live life outside work. Even the thought of starting a company never enters their minds. I quit recently to start up a company and almost everyone from my old employer that found out I was leaving asked me what employer I was moving to. On hearing my news most said something like "wow that's really brave!". I kept saying is it? The reality is it would have made more sense to them if I'd said I was taking a career break to travel the world for six months. I kept saying but this way my cost are much lower and I have a (hopefully good) chance of making real money, compared to the traveller that comes back - all be it having had a lot of great experiences - broke and looking for work again.
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by andreyf on Thursday September 11, 2008 @09:57AM (#301386)
most people in IT are resigned to the fact that they work for money and live life outside work

For me, it was PG's essay that overwrote this idea, which I had been raised with -

http://www.paulgraham.com/wealth.html

In defense of the amazing people who raised me with the work/pay assumption, they lived most of their lives in the Soviet Union, where there weren't many options aside from working for money handed down from a higher power.

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by andreyf on Thursday September 11, 2008 @10:22AM (#301406)
most people in IT are resigned to the fact that they work for money and live life outside work

It's definitely not just in IT.

For the sake of argument, one could say that life/work separation is good, and that people who start startups are workaholics missing out on all of the interesting things in life.

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by jwilliams on Thursday September 11, 2008 @09:54PM (#302007)
Yeah - was the same for me.

When I quit, everyone asked where I'm going. When I said "I haven't worked it out yet" (as I was shaping a startup) people just couldn't process it... Half assumed I just didn't want to say.

For a lot of people I just said "I'm going travelling", because it was something they could process.

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by Lagged2Death on Thursday September 11, 2008 @12:47PM (#301536)
If Dilbert started his own company, then Dilbert would become the pointy-haired boss, or the VC that controlled his fate would be the pointy-haired boss. And the underlings would become Dilbert. Nothing would really change.

Dilbert (the comic strip) isn't really about any particular character. It's about patterns of relationships in all hierarchical human organizations. No escape is possible for Dilbert (the character) because his tribulations are all the result of emergent phenomena. The comic has distilled those conflicts down to their essence, so they're visible anywhere. Call it the Dilbert Pattern.

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by alexfarran on Thursday September 11, 2008 @07:00PM (#301856)
That's pretty much what happened http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2008-07-12/

He's not ruthless and uncaring enough to be a leader. A well aimed rock from Dogbert knocked out his moral compass allowing him to ascend effortlessly to high level management.

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by mechanical_fish on Thursday September 11, 2008 @10:00AM (#301391)
Here's John Hess, creator of the classic TV soap opera Love of Life (1951-1980) and later a writer for MASH:

"The basic notion of writing a soap opera is all so-and-so has to say is such-and-such and the story is over, but they don't ever say it because then you would have nothing to write about it. 'Why doesn't Beany go to his father and tell him he took the book?'

"Well, because then you've shot about a month's worth of scripts. The great secret was how to attenuate and retain interest. How did I? You approach the same set of circumstances from different directions. If you have a couple talking about divorcing one day, the next day, you have another couple talking about the first couple's divorce."

(From The Box: An Oral History of Television 1920-1961 by Jeff Kisseloff. One of my favorite books.)

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by brk on Thursday September 11, 2008 @08:59AM (#301344)
Because he shags Alice every day around lunch time in an unused conference room, and he found a loophole in the billing subroutine for their e-commerce site that allows him to route $1.00 from every transaction to his personal account.
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by tjic on Thursday September 11, 2008 @09:48AM (#301380)
> allows him to route $1.00 from every transaction to his personal account.

From the crippled children?

No, that's the jar. I'm talking about the tray, the pennies for everybody.

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by roberto on Thursday September 11, 2008 @09:58AM (#301389)
Because then the comic wouldn't be funny.
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by notauser on Thursday September 11, 2008 @02:44PM (#301629)
And, of course, Scott Adams did quit to start his own thing. So it isn't like he doesn't know about the experience... it just isn't funny for most people as they can't relate to it.
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by wallflower on Thursday September 11, 2008 @09:51AM (#301383)
Dilbert doesn't quit because almost all of the mini-storylines contributed are from real workers (to Scott Adams) and he acts as silent mouthpiece for us anonymous workers
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by mechanical_fish on Thursday September 11, 2008 @10:19AM (#301404)
Yes, and while I could tell him quite a few tales about dysfunctional startups, there just aren't as many such stories in the world. The number of employee hours spent working for dysfunctional startups is necessarily limited, because such companies evaporate faster than the morning dew.

I also wouldn't be surprised if, to paraphrase Tolstoy, broken startups tend to be all alike, while each pointy-haired boss in the depths of an enormous company hierarchy is broken in his own way. There's a lot of ripe dramatic possibilities in the artificial environment of a BigCo; that's why so many dramas (and even musicals!) have been set in offices.

But for all I know the "Dilbert-does-a-startup" storyline has actually happened several times. I wouldn't expect such a storyline to last much more than a week. There's only so much humor you can get out of a company that's plummeting toward the ground, trying to learn to fly by delegating an intern to flap his arms.

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by Tichy on Thursday September 11, 2008 @01:46PM (#301589)
Because secretly he likes feeling smarter than his co-workers, and he dreads the responsibility of accomplishing something real.
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by mooders on Thursday September 11, 2008 @10:03AM (#301396)
For the same reason that so very few people start businesses - the FUD of the unknown.

Predictability is a great comforter for many risk-averse types, a category to which the great majority of engineer-types I have known belong.

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by vaksel on Thursday September 11, 2008 @10:14AM (#301400)
because it'll be exactly the same no matter where he goes. Except at the new company he'd be the new guy, and will lose all his seniority perks.
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by Protophore on Thursday September 11, 2008 @01:14PM (#301558)
I'd have to agree with you there. No matter where he goes it's basically going to be the same.

If you look at the work place as it exists in the US, or many other countries for that matter, there is a fairly defined and constant relationship between the company and the employee. There are those companies that try to break the mold and have a different relationship, but for the most part it's fairly constant across companies and industries.

As company size increases the number of people in management also tends to increase and the upper management tends to become more and more removed from the people who are actually working with the customers and writing the code or doing the real work. The people making the big decisions know less about the situation than the guy on the front lines hence the large number of problems that arise that are satirized in the Dilbert comics.

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by huherto on Friday September 12, 2008 @05:20PM (#302709)
Do you work here?
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by bayleo on Thursday September 11, 2008 @11:12AM (#301454)
Because he only needs a few more months before he's vested.
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by gscott on Thursday September 11, 2008 @12:52PM (#301540)
Then he will leave to create his own startup
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by brk on Thursday September 11, 2008 @11:31AM (#301473)
Brilliant!
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by Misanthrope on Thursday September 11, 2008 @02:52PM (#301639)
First, remember that he is an engineer, not a computer programmer. There isn't much demand for engineers in this once great nation. For him to move to another enterprise, he'd probably have to emigrate to Elbonia.

Second, many engineers, while incredibly bright, are not the types to know how to successfully run their own businesses. Dilbert has never been portrayed as business savvy. Nor has he been portrayed as the type who could sell his ideas well enough to partner with someone who is.

Third, comment one nailed it perfectly, the comic wouldn't be funny.

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by Hates_ on Thursday September 11, 2008 @09:37AM (#301370)
Because he's not like the rest of us who make up less then 1% of the IT industry.
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by seregine on Thursday September 11, 2008 @01:15PM (#301559)
See Achewood calling out Dilbert:

http://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=07312008

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by michaelneale on Thursday September 11, 2008 @07:00PM (#301857)
I don't pity Dilbert - he whines constantly yet makes no effort improve things. He is very cynical, and has no interest in improving his lot of those around him, so he gets what he deserves.

I wonder if that is part of Scott Adams intent - people pity him, yet he is not really worthy of pity (which most people wouldn't realise).

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by rudyfink on Thursday September 11, 2008 @06:26PM (#301840)
Stockholm Syndrome
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by mrjbq7 on Thursday September 11, 2008 @11:31AM (#301472)
Reminds me of that old adage:

"It's never as bad as you think, and it's never as good as you think."

Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by tsbardella on Thursday September 11, 2008 @11:49AM (#301489)
he is a co-dependent. obviously
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by donniefitz2 on Thursday September 11, 2008 @05:18PM (#301783)
He's working through some things right now.
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by zitterbewegung on Thursday September 11, 2008 @03:18PM (#301661)
Because its Dilbert. Not ycombinator.
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by MaysonL on Thursday September 11, 2008 @04:21PM (#301721)
Because he loves bitching about how fucked up everybody else is.
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by yaj on Thursday September 11, 2008 @04:16PM (#301716)
he needs to pay the bills
Re:Ask HN: Why doesn't Dilbert quit? by sabat on Thursday September 11, 2008 @11:17AM (#301462)
Because Dilbert lives in The Worse of All Possible Worlds, where there are no other jobs to be had. He's trapped.