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Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by ipnon on Saturday January 29, 2022 @09:16PM (#30133162)
The infamous "SSL Added and removed here! :^)" slide[0] should have been proof to everyone that no one is safe from $THREE_LETTER_AGENCY or their international equivalents. The ubiquity of standardized smartphones at the highest levels of government means that unfathomable budgets are dedicated to cracking them with the urgency of national security as their motivation. The world's security blocks are incentivized to share their cracking tools within their spheres of influence, and the trivial margin of reproduction for software means that these tools escape from their security apparatus and proliferate like a virus on the outside. They're simply too useful to remain in the dark. If cracking your phone is possible and a cyber power wants to know what's on it, then your phone is as good as unlocked.

[0] https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/Wash...

Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by cmeacham98 on Saturday January 29, 2022 @10:09PM (#30133497)
Not sure if that's the best example, because by my understanding Google had taken immense efforts to fix this hole, and now always treats the network as if there's hostile actors on the line. It's pretty much a success story of a civilian company against the NSA.

(I make no comment about if the NSA has found other ways into Google or Google has willingly let them in, I do not know the answers to those questions)

Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by mike_d on Saturday January 29, 2022 @11:07PM (#30133911)
That is an extremely naive viewpoint. When the NSA develops a capability they don't just sit around spinning in their office chairs until it stops working. There is constant development effort to ensure continued access to the information they need.
Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by ipnon on Sunday January 30, 2022 @04:22AM (#30135299)
This comment would have been just as effective without the ad hominem to begin.
Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by octoberfranklin on Saturday January 29, 2022 @11:02PM (#30133876)
> The ubiquity of standardized smartphones at the highest levels of government means that unfathomable budgets are dedicated

Our field is in denial about the importance of diversity to security.

Biologists have no problem understanding this. Why can't we?

Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by simonh on Saturday January 29, 2022 @11:44PM (#30134113)
It’s not immediately obvious to me that diversity is better. A chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link. If a foreign state has access to two phones with a secret on it and each has a different OS with different vulnerabilities, that just gives them a bigger attack surface.

Similarly if there are 5 sophisticated attackers after your secrets, some may have cracked your phone security, but not others. If you use more different phone OSes you increase the chance that more attackers have exploits for at least some of your phones.

Also using more phone types complicates training, increases the work you must do checking for vulnerabilities, diluting your efforts.

Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by hamilyon2 on Sunday January 30, 2022 @07:56AM (#30136763)
You are implying that phone models for top officials are chosen at random.

Better diversity would also mean more choices, which mean some devices are more tailored to needs of a certain type of consumers, like business and government ones. They get less gifs to send, but have their software developed by paranoid people and "do not leak any secrets ever", and "no rce" are their first and only sprint goals.

So basically, now choice is between bad alternative and the even worse one.

Asking for more choices is an important proposition, I'd say

Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by est31 on Sunday January 30, 2022 @12:30AM (#30134356)
It gets different when you are talking about denial of service attacks. Imagine everyone drove cars from the same brand, and one day a hacker discovers a way to make them all stop. Then society is shut down. If 20% of cars stopped working, it's still a major catastrophy but you can work around it somehow.

If you have robot armies or something it gets even more dangerous to put all your eggs into one vendor basket.

Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by solarengineer on Saturday January 29, 2022 @11:30PM (#30134041)
Could you elaborate? I myself can only guess at what you mean by "diversity to security".

I can think of: 1. Develop software in the open. 2. Teach security and cryptography widely using openly-developed syllabus. 3. Encourage parallel initiatives.

I don't think you are referring to racial or gender or cultural diversity.

Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by dolgo on Saturday January 29, 2022 @11:46PM (#30134118)
I assume they were referring to diversity of cell phones/mobile OSes, rather than the duopoly of Android and iOS.
Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by fsflover on Sunday January 30, 2022 @08:21AM (#30136945)
>Our field is in denial about the importance of diversity to security.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_in_depth_(computing)

Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by adrianN on Sunday January 30, 2022 @12:06AM (#30134222)
Evolution has the benefit that it can develop in parallel. We only have limited manpower for our creations, so it's entirely possible that focusing our efforts produces better results.
Re:Despite the hype, iPhone security no match for NSO spywar... by octoberfranklin on Sunday January 30, 2022 @01:43AM (#30134674)
Nature has limited free energy for its creations.

Besides, tens of thousands of separate software companies can easily develop in parallel.

There's only a bottleneck when you assume that this stuff has to come from a BigTech giant. The same mistake people made with PCs and Windows in the 1990s.