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Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by actuator on Friday January 28, 2022 @02:09AM (#30111555)
> Asian are prone to nearsightedness. Of people aged 20 and under, 96% of South Koreans, 95% of Japanese, 87% of Hong Kongers, 85% of Taiwanese and 82% of Singaporeans are affected by the condition, according to Kubota.

Wow, this is so stark. Is it genetic or is it something lifestyle related?

It would seem strange if it was genetic as glasses were invented quite late and vast population suffering from near sightedness without glasses seems like such a disadvantage.

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by pbazarnik on Friday January 28, 2022 @02:33AM (#30111702)
Exposing eyes to sunlight (or high intensity light) is a very important factor preventing and reversing myopia [1]

There was also Australian paper I cant find now, showing that prevalence of myopia in Asians in Australia is much lower due to school systen encouraging more free time and play outdoors. (not explainable by genetic factors)

Children must play outside in the sun or they become myopic.

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29371008/

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by qsdf38100 on Friday January 28, 2022 @02:50AM (#30111814)
I heard that playing outside also generally makes you focus on much more distant objects, and that as the eye optimizes for a "at rest" focal point that best fits what you're looking at most of the time.

So when you're looking at close screens or books for most of your day, the eye makes that be the "at rest" state, but now distant objects are blurry. Now if you insist on having distant objects not blurry (by wearing glasses _all the time_), it's the same situation again and the eye will "adapt" even more, and you'ell get more power glasses, and so on...

If that's true, then people with myopia shouldn't wear their glasses _all the time_, particularly when staring at close objects (screens and books). I have myopia and that explanation fits my experience. Most of the time I'm looking at a screen not wearing my glasses, and the screen is exactly at the right distance for me to not to have focus, so my eye is "at rest" for most of the day.

It sounds weird that a lot of eyes are dysfunctional. Maybe we don't understand how eyes find a trade-off that best suits your average focal distance. It also gives a rational as to why myopia went from a few 1% to 50% of the population in some countries. People started staring at close objects.

I don't know if it's actually true, but it makes a lot of sense to me.

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by Laforet on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:17AM (#30112013)
Focus or accommodation loss is just the beginning of myopia. Sometime after the symptoms show up, the eye would physically elongate in the axial direction and push the retina beyond the accommodation range of the lens. This change is impossible to "reset" with current medical knowledge.

Your idea about allowing the eye to "rest" is not new and it has been the subject of several large scale clinical trials such as the COMET study linked below. In short, under correcting myopia does help to slow down progression. However, the benefit is too small to justify not fully correcting vision which will result in a better quality of life.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11578789/

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by qsdf38100 on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:34AM (#30112150)
I see, this study does seem to rule out my view. What's the current consensus about why myopia progressed so quickly in some countries?
Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by Laforet on Saturday January 29, 2022 @07:09AM (#30125678)
The traditional view has always been a combination of genetics and behavior factors, namely reading and other close up work during the age of 8-14 when the eye is still capable of axial elongation. The light intensity theory is a more recent development which has some merits, but more evidence is needed for proof.

After WW2, Canadian Inuits started to send their children to school for the first time in history and myopia became endemic from that generation onwards.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1956268/

And to put the source in context:

- This was before the age of computers and smartphones so screen time was much less of a factor.

- Inuits traditionally spend a disproportionate time indoors due to the climate.

- The schooling was likely shorter and less stressful than those found in places like Japan and Korea, yet the effects are just as apparent.

Similar rises in myopia rate was observed when daily schooling was introduced to many other places, but few occur on the same scale. Thus it is possible that Asians and Inuits are genetically predisposed to myopia and it took until the modern age for this to become a problem.

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by akiselev on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:07AM (#30111941)
> So when you're looking at close screens or books for most of your day, the eye makes that be the "at rest" state, but now distant objects are blurry. Now if you insist on having distant objects not blurry (by wearing glasses _all the time_), it's the same situation again and the eye will "adapt" even more, and you'ell get more power glasses, and so on...

My optometrist specifically prescribes me lenses/contacts that are slightly worse than optimal (i.e. -2.25 instead of -2.5) based on the fact that I stare at a computer screen the entire day. IIRC her explanation was along these lines, and I've had no degradation in eyesight in nearly a decade since. (I am not an optometrist, for god's sake find your own)

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by krackers on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:34AM (#30112144)
You can get a separate intermediate distance pair specifically for computer use. If you're -2.25 then something like -1.25 would put optical infinity at 31 inches away allowing your eyes to be completely relaxed. I've got close to the same prescription and just prefer to keep my screen at 24" and increase the font size a bit, and I can see that just fine most days. I'm not sure if my brain has learned to deconvolve better, but around -2 is a sweet spot where you can definitely get away with not needing glasses at all for computer work if you try, considering that you're uncorrected plane is at 20 inches.
Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by coryrc on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:13AM (#30111986)
Mine didn't and I also have not had any degradation in the last ten years.
Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by walterbell on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:32AM (#30112127)
Everyone is different. It's unclear why some people benefit more from vision therapy than others.
Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by carlmr on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:20AM (#30112034)
Same here.
Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by guyomes on Friday January 28, 2022 @04:14AM (#30112400)
It seems that it is more specifically violet light [1] that reduces the development of myopia among children. One of the rational is that light triggers the production of dopamine in the eye, and dopamine prevents the eye from growing excessively during childhood, and thus prevents form-deprivation myopia [2].

[1]: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ebiom.2016.12.007

[2]: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.exer.2006.09.018

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by unhammer on Friday January 28, 2022 @05:40AM (#30112976)
Should schools install blacklights?
Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by erosenbe0 on Friday January 28, 2022 @05:38AM (#30112961)
Outdoors play with visor/cap and UV protecting sunglasses (not heavy shading) is great for all kinds of development. Just use strategies to limit cumulative direct exposure to UV in childhood.
Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by demosito666 on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:09AM (#30111958)
So this would imply that myopia must be much more widespread in northern countries than in Asia, which I believe is not the case.
Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by unhammer on Friday January 28, 2022 @05:34AM (#30112926)
In the Nordic countries at least, kids spend quite a lot of hours of the day outside in nursery/kindergarten/school as a rule (babies too: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21537988 ) while as parent comment writes, school systems that encourage less outdoor time lead to more myopia.

There's less sunlight in the North during the winter, sure, but still several orders of magnitude more than inside (also, more UV etc.).

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by fpoling on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:24AM (#30112059)
Sunlight alone does not explain it. Another possible factor is diet. It can be that eating a lot of carbohydrates with high glycemic index like white rice trigger slightly excessive growth of eye balls in children sufficient to trigger myopia. That also explain why moving to Australia affects this due to diet change.

But this hypothesis also has problems. For example, less refined carbohydrates apparently do not lead to this. Also it does not explain how adding more meat to refined carbohydrates affects the mechanism.

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by jaggederest on Friday January 28, 2022 @02:16AM (#30111597)
It seems that, like the way that environmental factors affect jaw development[1], environmental factors that are different between modern lifestyles and pre-historical ones drive the development of myopia.[2] But there have always been a percentage of people who are myopic due to other factors, as well, so it's not a single story.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-15823276

[2] https://www.aao.org/editors-choice/sunlight-exposure-reduces...

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by givemeethekeys on Friday January 28, 2022 @02:14AM (#30111583)
Perhaps living in cities with tall buildings produces a higher rate of nearsightedness since the eyes don't get to look to the horizon much.
Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by powerapple on Friday January 28, 2022 @02:20AM (#30111625)
the most effect you can have on your eyes can be cause by study. When you have to use your eyes and your brain at the same time. My parents told me that too much video games is bad for my eyes, from my experience, I became shortsighted in the period I had to study a lot and not playing video games.
Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by beebeepka on Friday January 28, 2022 @02:42AM (#30111759)
Ah, but is the worst kind if non-binary thinking!

Studying is good, and therefore it cannot be bad for your eyesight. Games, on the other hand, are bad and can only be associated with negatives.

"You'll get this when get older"

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by mellavora on Friday January 28, 2022 @02:44AM (#30111770)
Lifestyle. It comes from spending too much time indoors instead of outside.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33878199/

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by p0larboy on Friday January 28, 2022 @04:08AM (#30112348)
Notice how these mentioned Asian countries are countered that focus on academics.

I'm a Singaporean and we spent alot of time in our younger years straining our eyes on books and computers.

Re:Myopia treatment 'smart glasses' from Japan to be sold in... by ammmir on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:31AM (#30112119)
studying too much at close distance, and not spending enough time outside