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Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by roenxi on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:48PM (#30091566)
I've never heard a convincing argument about why the COVID restrictions weren't literal violations of human rights. Often I got a variant of "I'm scared we're just going to do it". Most (all?) of the arguments for it turned out to be wrong - eg, vaccination has not slowed the spread, even marginally, according to the experience in Australia where COVID tore through a highly vaccinated population. In my state (~95% adults 12+ vaccinated) we have had more than a million cases (population 8 million) in 1.5 months. And the testing systems collapsed, probably quite a bit more in reality.

This is now taking it one step further - this argument is as an assumption - suggesting people have to give up their freedoms because people paying for their own hospital capacity is unacceptable to you. I say that because the sort of person who is pro-freedom to the point of not wanting a vaccine might well overlap with the population of people pro-freedom enough that they want individuals to pay for their own healthcare.

This is not a sustainable position against 2019 business-as-usual. I agree with the headline.

Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by i386 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:22PM (#30092085)
I’m Australian. Vaccination and restrictions were why we never saw refrigerated containers of dead people on street corners, like NYC did in the first wave. Many people would have died or needed to be hospitalized.
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by musicale on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:43PM (#30092361)
Manhattan (not to mention Staten Island, as well as Queens and Brooklyn which are geographically on Long Island) is also an island, just like Australia (and Tasmania.) Clearly they should have isolated themselves before covid took hold. ;-)
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by nsxwolf on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:35PM (#30092267)
You are proportionately about as bad as the United States is in deaths right now.
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by bsder on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:49PM (#30092437)
Cite your data.

Start here: https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

Showing new deaths per day with 1 week averaging normalized by population, the US is about 2-3x Australia right now.

As for new confirmed cases per day normalized by population, everybody is about the same because Omicron is so infectious. I suspect the US number is a bit undercounted because the number of cases spiked so fast that confirmed cases simply couldn't keep up.

Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by clouddrover on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @05:04PM (#30092663)
False. The US has had 2,687 deaths per million population since coronavirus began. Australia has had 128.

In the last 7 days the US has had 46 deaths per million population. Australia has had 17.

See for yourself: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by ceejayoz on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @05:19PM (#30092884)
(Australia is starting from near-zero natural immunity, too.)