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Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by drugstorecowboy on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:42PM (#30091485)
I think you are making an important point here that I would love somebody to answer. Why is covid different than riding a motorcycle? Nobody is required to ride a motorcycle. We know for a fact, it's more dangerous than driving a car as a mode of transport. It's a person needlessly putting themselves in danger purely for their own reasons. Why is there no talk of denying a hospital bed to them? The same applies to obesity and a 1000 other things.
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by vanusa on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @06:24PM (#30093613)
Why is covid different than riding a motorcycle?

Would you agree with this analogy:

"Going out into crowded public spaces unmasked and unvaccinated ... is not unlike riding a motorcycle without a helmet. And with a busted taillight and bad brakes too, because you're also putting other people at risk."

Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by notch656a on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @07:11PM (#30094126)
The mask is like having disc brakes. No mask is like having drum breaks. Walking up to someone and coughing in their face is no brakes. You may be more likely to save a life with the disc brakes, but I admit I occasionally ride bikes with drum brakes instead.

Being vaccinated is a strong tail light (having already had COVID before may be a strong tail light too). Being unvaccinated but never caught COVID is a legal but moderate tail light. Being deathly ill but sneezing on the produce is no tail light.

Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by drugstorecowboy on Thursday January 27, 2022 @09:33AM (#30101013)
Wonderful, so I take it you are advocating that anybody who drives a motorcycle with no tail light and drum brakes should be left to die outside the hospital if something happens? Would that be an accurate assessment of your position?
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by notch656a on Thursday January 27, 2022 @10:12AM (#30101480)
Not at all.
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by nradov on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @08:58PM (#30095160)
I would not agree with that analogy regarding masks. Nor, I suspect, would noted expert on infectious diseases Dr. Monica Gandhi. I recommend you listen to her recent statements on the subject.

https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/

https://profiles.ucsf.edu/monica.gandhi

Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by vanusa on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @09:13PM (#30095291)
I'm not sure what you're driving at, because she clearly doesn't think that "masks" as such are ineffective - just the cloth/surgical masks -- she advocates N95/KN95. Which of course are what everyone should be wearing now (in close public settings), by this point.

Also, the discussion in that podcast is a bit strange (for a bunch of reasons). For one thing, it seems to reduce the "mask question" to one of individual (or close family) risk -- "If I'm comfortable with the risk level (as affects me and my family), I should be able to decide whether to wear a mask or not (paraphrasing)" -- and completely sidesteps the community risk issue (especially in crowded public settings). Which is very different, and is of course what mask mandates (whether you agree with them or not) are designed to address.

For another, it dwells a lot on the "shame" and (what they think of) as quasi-religious aspects of mask wearing - this idea that people expect others to wear masks because those who do not are "unclean". Which may be what some people think, but to suggest that this is what most people think or that this should be part of the policy debate is just ... werid.

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Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by vanusa on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @10:38PM (#30095899)
Did you actually listen to her explanation?

I did, and it's rather obnoxious of you to suggest otherwise.

I just think your own reading of what she said is off, for reasons I'll let you figure out (or not) on your own.

Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by dang on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:58PM (#30120270)
Please don't cross into personal attack or name-calling, and please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by nradov on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @10:42PM (#30095934)
If you actually listened to it and still missed the point that badly then I can only conclude you are intentionally misunderstanding to push an irrational, unscientific narrative.
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by dang on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:57PM (#30120252)
Personal attacks are not ok on HN. We ban accounts that do this, and we've had to warn you about this in the past. That's seriously not cool.

I'm not going to ban you right now, but if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Please also stop posting flamewar comments to HN generally. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.