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Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by CameronNemo on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:56PM (#30089027)
Any of those people will happily accept a stack of paper bills.

Have you actually tried depositing large amounts of cash on a regular basis? Sounds like a good way to get your account flagged and suspended.

Not to mention the Treasury's seeming animosity toward cash as an instrument of payment.

Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by mkipper on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:29PM (#30089620)
In the eyes of your bank, the _least_ suspicious thing you can do is show up to your local branch and present your physical card and photo ID. Your bank will be much more cautious for large transactions done through an app, where the only authentication is a password and possibly an SMS message. Your bank will probably ask a few questions if you show up in-person to deposit $50k cash into a personal account, but it's not like you could avoid that by using their app.
Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by throwawaygh on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:13PM (#30089333)
> Have you actually tried depositing large amounts of cash on a regular basis? Sounds like a good way to get your account flagged and suspended.

1. OP said "make payments", not "receive money". Literally no one is going to give a shit if you make your mortgage or car payment in cash.

2. LOL, yes, I deposit cash all the time, including a quite large sum at least twice a year (charity events). Cash-based businesses are still very much a thing.

3. I write like $10K worth of checks every month, and deposit around $3K-$6K worth of checks every month. No smartphone required.

Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by giantg2 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:44PM (#30089863)
"Literally no one is going to give a shit if you make your mortgage or car payment in cash."

Are you sure? To get a mortgage they check the source of your down payment and it cannot be cash. Seems odd if they don't also check source for payments.

Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by throwawaygh on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:59PM (#30090086)
> Are you sure?

Yes, absolutely sure.

> To get a mortgage

I said:

>> make your mortgage or car payment

Making payment on existing loan != taking out a new loan.

> they check the source of your down payment and it cannot be cash.

If you mean literal physical cash: the main reason for this is that no one involved in the transaction is interested in taking on the risk of carrying briefcases full of cash across town.

If you mean money in a bank account that is of unknown provenance: This isn't really an issue unless you make a huge lump sum deposit just before closing and have absolutely zero documentation regarding where it came from. Even then, giant sums recently deposited isn't a problem. You just have to prove that it's of non-criminal provenance. Recent pay stubs or sales receipts will do.

That has nothing to do with the money being "cash" or not, though.

And even then, it's mostly about access to giant piles of credit. If you don't need to borrow huge piles of someone else's money, then no one gives a shit. E.g., I've purchased property with a cashier's check, which is about as close to literal cash as you can get without major security risks involved.)

Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by vdqtp3 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @02:13PM (#30090285)
> Lenders won't lend you money with a down payment of unknown provenance

That's actually incorrect, to my understanding. If you have 100k in your bank account for a year, the lender doesn't care when you pay your down payment out of that regardless of where it came from. They object when there's a recent transfer/deposit of that money because it could indicate an undocumented loan, throwing off the debt to income calculations.

Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by throwawaygh on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @02:22PM (#30090409)
Right. I think I must've got my edit in after you posted.

> They object when there's a recent transfer/deposit of that money because it could indicate an undocumented loan, throwing off the debt to income calculations.

Right. It's not some authoritarian plot. They just wanna make sure you're not a fibbing about your net worth before handing you a giant stack of their money. If you can prove the money is yours then they're fine.

Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by giantg2 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:18PM (#30091142)
It's not just the risk of carrying the cash. They have to comply with the Money Laundering Act.
Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by bentcorner on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:10PM (#30089280)
There's a middle ground here that has existed for a long time. Mail hand-written cheques for your bills, deposit your paystub into your bank account, withdraw cash on a periodic basis for daily spending. You don't even need to use a banking card for any of this.

I haven't been to a store that has refused cash and have never been required to use a banking app.

Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by ecdouvhr on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:06PM (#30090956)
Where do you still use checks? I don't think I've seen one since the 90's.
Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by throwawaygh on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:13PM (#30091059)
I still pay most of my bills with checks. I also collect rent and pay rent with checks. Basically my entire financial life except for perhaps eating out and buying useless things online is mediated in cash and checks. This is very normal in my social circle.

Just because you choose to use e-banking doesn't mean that cash and checks are inaccessible, or even particularly inconvenient.

Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by foxfluff on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:55PM (#30091683)
I have a hunch it depends heavily on your location. I have never seen a check in my life, and I have never heard of anyone I know using them. I wouldn't be able to say whether such a thing even exists here. Cash is still a thing but not universally accepted; not having a credit or debit card would be a major inconvenience. Banks can be hard to access because they've reduced offices and opening hours. You don't go there unless you really have to.
Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by throwawaygh on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:15PM (#30091982)
Fascinating. Where do you live?
Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by ecdouvhr on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:33PM (#30092221)
Like the sibling commenter, I'm from Finland. The same applies to most of the Nordics though; I doubt my kids will ever see a check. People simply don't use them and cashing one would probably be quite difficult (not to mention expensive).
Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by foxfluff on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:27PM (#30092151)
Finland.
Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by emmo on Thursday January 27, 2022 @11:10PM (#30110625)
Checks (cheques) don't exist anymore in New Zealand.
Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by jjav on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:53PM (#30091649)
I pay all my bills with checks. Utilities, rentals, mortgages, taxes, everything. Why not?

In stores I mostly use cash, except for larger purchases where it becomes inconvenient. Those go to the credit card which I'll then pay with a check.

Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by ecdouvhr on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:35PM (#30092264)
I don't think there are any businesses here who'd accept a check. Banks would probably do it for a fee, or at least require you deposit the money to your account.

Bills here are paid with bank transfer. It doesn't have to be done though online banking, but doing so is obviously easier.

Re:The window to deploy surveillance-resistant systems is ru... by moonshinefe on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:41PM (#30089794)
This might be a generational thing.

But yes, you can go into banks and deposit money (even frequently, and in reasonably large amounts).

The flagging and suspending stuff is more what I'd be wary of using paypal or something similar, not an actual bank.