Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart beating soundly

Re:Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart b... by vasco on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:24AM (#30083100)

You seem to have very strong views on this and I don't but as a natural follow up from your arguments, how do you propose we deal with the obesity crisis under the lens of people who don't self preservate and have all sorts of cardiovascular issues and bring healthcare costs to unbearable highs for everyone else?

To be clear my position is that you should treat everyone, fatties, smokers, antivax, whatever, merely because I don't know when I'm going to find myself in one of the "wrong" groups and I'd like to get treatment then, so I think they should get it too.

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Re:Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart b... by kaybe on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:42AM (#30083207)

The data I saw suggested these people are actually significantly cheaper in total for society since they die so much earlier. YMMV depending on the details of your social system of course.

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Re:Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart b... by BoorishBears on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @09:49AM (#30086067)

This is not that complicated:

Is a heart attack going to infect your provider?

Is neck cancer going to infect your provider?

We have a vaccine that significantly reduces the odds of putting our healthcare providers at risk and becoming part of the group of people crippling our ability to provide emergency medical care... if you don't take it not because you're ineligible, but because you've decided you know better, you should not be a priority.

And really this is already how it works. When ICUs get overwhelmed, people with COVID who code might not get resuscitated.

The massively increased risk to the provider combined with the chances of recovery mean you will just die:

https://www.cdha.nshealth.ca/system/files/sites/documents/co...

And I guess saying I have strong feelings supposed to be some backhanded ad hominem? I mean clearly you have strong feelings as well, writing tirades about the "fatties", the difference between us is what I write is based on reality

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Re:Two weeks later David Bennett is alive, his pig’s heart b... by vasco on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:29PM (#30089624)

I understand your point about infectiousness I think it's good and I agree.

My comment was as a follow up to your statement: "Vaccines help reduce severity in some capacity", there's a lot of behaviors that reduce severity in some capacity, and doing those would translate in lots of time savings and less pressure on the healthcare system in the same way as the vaccines do, the vaccines just have the extra "bonus" of being able to infect healthcare workers, so their negative effects compound. But if your argument is about first principles, any sort of self preservation has the same problem. So I was just commenting on that.

You're right the bit about feeling strongly was probably a subconscious dig, sorry about that, but I was amused at the "shame on you" and had a moment of weakness, my bad.

Also I didn't intend much with the fatties, I find it eandearing and have been a fatty myself at times in my life and have many I like, if that offended I'm sorry and I wish I hadn't used the term, but that's life and these are just internet comments.

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