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Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by fluidcruft on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:29PM (#30074777)
Have things changed in the Android space, though?

My impression is Google's are still the most updated. I've had a Nexus S, 4, 5 and currently have Pixel 3. I've never really had any problems with the Google-managed devices. Motorola and Samsung... let's just say I will never, ever buy a phone from them ever again. The choice is between Pixel and iPhone. But after the Pixel 3 I will not pay for the "premium" class Pixels.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by zrm on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:40PM (#30074964)
When is a hardware maker going to figure out that selling something that works like a PC in terms of third party system updates will immediately become the thing that techs buy and recommend?

People are willingly paying iPhone prices for Purism and Pinephone hardware with low specs and old chips. Does Samsung not want this money?

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by dsr_ on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:46PM (#30075097)
It used to be that people talked to their local techies before making technology purchases.

Now people look at the ads and the product placement. If you want to sell millions of a device, that's how you do it.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by zrm on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:15PM (#30075598)
People still regularly ask me what kind of phone to get.

I start by excluding the ones with literal malware and after that the primary determinant is price, because if it's going to be rapidly disposable anyway then there's no point in making a large investment.

"Let's force them to buy a new phone more often" is the kind of first year on the job MBA move that sounds profitable on paper as long as you fail to notice that the average Android phone now sells for less than a third of the price of the average iPhone. And that's revenue; the difference in margins is even bigger.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by throw10920 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:23PM (#30075733)
Not a single one of my friends or family (n=50) has asked me for phone recommendations in the past 4 years (and I can only recall two recommendation requests ever).

It's certainly not common enough that you see mentions about it on HN or Reddit - and yet, you see mentions of adjacent things like requests for tech support. So, it's clearly not very common.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by zrm on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:49PM (#30076157)
People vent about getting asked to do free tech support because it's time consuming unpaid labor.

The premise of asking for a recommendation is that the tech has already done the research (e.g. for themselves) and can provide a two word answer off the top of their head. There is little reason to complain about this on a message board or even bother to remember when it happens. But it does.

You even admit to doing it yourself. How many swings of a $400 purchase from one vendor to another does it take per capita to be enough to care about?

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by Bud on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:06PM (#30076440)
I'd say it's very common. I get requests on a nearly weekly basis. From both friends and family. Some have asked me several times.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by throw10920 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:20PM (#30075685)
> People are willingly paying iPhone prices for Purism and Pinephone hardware with low specs and old chips.

...for almost certainly tiny numbers of sales in both cases, and nowhere near "iPhone prices" for Pinephones. Samsung cares about money, and their current strategy is far more lucrative than selling very small amounts of Librem devices at modest profit margins.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by zrm on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:37PM (#30075972)
> nowhere near "iPhone prices" for Pinephones

iPhone SE is $399. PinePhone Pro is $399. Samsung is averaging ~$250.

> ...for almost certainly tiny numbers of sales in both cases

They're doing preorders and are regularly sold out and backordered, despite having high prices and old hardware and weird bugs. That is what high demand looks like.

Meanwhile no change to the hardware is required and Samsung could carry on selling to everyone they currently do, plus all of those people.

This whole comments section is full of people complaining about this. If you give them a choice between two otherwise fungible phones, one that has open source drivers etc. and can therefore run an up to date vanilla kernel indefinitely, why wouldn't they all choose that one?

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by post-it on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:49PM (#30077055)
> They're doing preorders and are regularly sold out and backordered, despite having high prices and old hardware and weird bugs. That is what high demand looks like.

The custom Linux phone I make is also sold out! I've made zero units and there are zero available. That is what high demand looks like.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by zrm on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @04:48PM (#30078574)
Is it sarcasm because you can't point to anyone who isn't selling out?

There is clearly more demand than there is supply.

This is the weirdest position to stake out. That nobody wants this because everybody who makes one has a line of customers around the block and mainstream media outlets are writing stories about how much people want this, which go to the front page of tech news aggregators because of all the people who feel the same way.

What evidence of demand are you looking for? A larger production run which is also commercially successful? You can't expect that as a precondition for doing one.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by mattl on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:56PM (#30075267)
It's probably such a small amount of money that it's just not worth bothering with.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by blihp on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:45PM (#30075067)
The thing that changed is that Google started pitching, and pricing, the Pixel phones as premium phones. At least with the Nexus line they were more modestly priced. So the lack of long term updates was still an issue, but more people were willing to swallow it given the price differential vs. the iPhone.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by fluidcruft on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:46PM (#30075106)
Exactly. Google played the "pay Apple prices for an Apple experience" tactic and already reneged. They're in a tough spot because I won't trust them again with anything not priced to be replaced in three years. So when you get to the question of wanting a device that lasts longer, the answer seems to be Apple.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by JacobThreeThree on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:55PM (#30075260)
>the answer seems to be Apple

Until Apple bricks your phone with a stealth update because you haven't upgraded quickly enough.

https://www.reuters.com/article/apple-iphones-settlement-idU...

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by wlesieutre on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:14PM (#30075580)
I had one of the affected phones and concur that it was shitty of them to try and sneak that by people, but "throttled the peak CPU boost" is a long way from "bricked"

Upside of the settlement was I got a battery replacement for $30 (performed same day in store) and coming up on 6 years since release the original iPhone SE is still running the latest version of iOS.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by vanilla_nut on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @11:24PM (#30081685)
Also a happy OG SE user who got one of the cheap battery replacements. Replaced again a couple years later with an iFixit battery for ~$30, still using it to this day. Holding out for a worthy upgrade path...
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by fluidcruft on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:01PM (#30075359)
Honestly I think this is the real issue: batteries barely last three years and when they start to go things go strange and people blame the phone rather than replace the battery. I expect somewhere inside Google they grok that supporting a phone beyond three years becomes the root cause problem being dying batteries.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by MiddleEndian on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:49PM (#30076145)
>people blame the phone rather than replace the battery.

If their phone doesn't have a replaceable battery then blaming the phone is correct.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by Bud on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:08PM (#30076468)
No, it's simply not. Not when the battery can actually be replaced for $49. The battery is replaceable.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by post-it on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:50PM (#30077068)
The opportunity cost of having to look up a vendor store, go there, and wait an hour+ for them to replace my battery may as well be infinite.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by throwaway946513 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:57PM (#30077917)
Which is about the same thing for an iPhone? Apple stores don't magically replace batteries in seconds. On my iPhone 6s, I had both a bad battery, and a defective display - took 7 hours to get my phone back after scheduling an appointment at the Apple Store.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by post-it on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:15PM (#30091990)
iPhone batteries should be user-replaceable too. Maybe with a pair of screws instead of a clip.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by google234123 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @05:14PM (#30078875)
That’s bullshit. I guess overturning cost for repairing a car is also infinite by that logic.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by post-it on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:16PM (#30091998)
It is. I hate getting my car repaired. Now that I work from home, if I didn't already own a car, I very well might not buy one.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by kaba0 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @07:35PM (#30080158)
Once per 3 years?!
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by schmorptron on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @05:23PM (#30078962)
I wonder how much of this could be extended by phones just auto-limiting charging to 90% (current phones already time charging so when left on overnight it only reaches 100% when you wake up) most of the time, since that seems to increase battery longevity by a lot.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by kaladin-jasnah on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @08:55PM (#30080685)
> My impression is Google's are still the most updated

OnePlus phones are/were also quite good (at least when I bought my OnePlus 6, I have heard it went… downhill from there). But I did two years of updates, plus one more through LineageOS. And I'll probably update again when LineageOS has their Android 12 release.

OnePlus phones are good because they are (still) easily bootloader-unlockable, and are thus good (excellent) for custom ROMs. They do update fairly often on stock, but I think the stock ROM is getting worse and worse. Still, they're up there.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by vanilla_nut on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @11:23PM (#30081669)
Do yourself a favor and let Android 12 settle down for a bit before you upgrade. I've heard nothing but bugs, bugs, and more bugs. Though I guess we can assume that they won't pump out a LineageOS release if they find a bunch of bugs, since unlike Google the LineageOS devs actually have pride in the software they produce.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by kaladin-jasnah on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @06:26AM (#30084226)
> I've heard nothing but bugs, bugs, and more bugs.

I "upgraded" to a Pixel 6 and Android 12 has been completely fine for me, so it might be certain people. I am aware some of my friends had bugs with Android 12, though.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by fomine3 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @08:49PM (#30080639)
Samsung (but not career model) should be better for security updates.