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Re:Articulate and Incompetent by civilized on Saturday January 22, 2022 @02:44PM (#30040149)
Alternate title for this article: mental shortcuts for arriving at a conclusion without actually applying logic or reasoning.

For example:

> This leads to a stunning possibility implied by the opening quote. True expert intuition may often be associated with poor explanations. We should therefore be extremely suspicious of neat explanations in the broadest domains.

Does anyone think this is actually a valid or plausible argument for its conclusion? "Expert explanations sometimes don't seem to make sense, therefore don't trust explanations that seem to broadly make sense?"

I understand the value of heuristics, but they're a crutch. You shouldn't be using crutches or wheelchairs all the time when you can walk (i.e. use logic). If you don't walk, your legs will wither away.

Re:Articulate and Incompetent by layer8 on Saturday January 22, 2022 @03:09PM (#30040385)
> Does anyone think this is actually a valid or plausible argument for its conclusion? "Expert explanations sometimes don't seem to make sense, therefore don't trust explanations that seem to broadly make sense?"

I read this a bit differently: Experts often have a hard time explaining their intuitions. That is, they (presumably, as experts) have the correct intuition, but can’t articulate their internal reasoning (and maybe the correct explanation is inherently difficult to understand), while on the other hand it is not very hard to come up with a seemingly coherent ("neat") explanation for pretty much anything. If that is indeed true (I don’t know that it is), then having a "neat" explanation presented could really be a counter-indication, statistically speaking.

I’m halfway sympathetic to that, as "neat" explanations do quite often oversimplify, and reality usually turns out to be more complex. Explanations that also point out their own limitations and caveats tend to inspire higher credence.

Re:Articulate and Incompetent by civilized on Saturday January 22, 2022 @05:55PM (#30041644)
Some things do have simple neat correct explanations though. So it reduces to a tautology - "be suspicious of simple explanations in areas where you wouldn't expect a simple explanation to work".
Re:Articulate and Incompetent by layer8 on Saturday January 22, 2022 @06:00PM (#30041686)
I’d argue that as a non-expert you can’t really assess whether a simple explanation would work or not, and therefore you’d have to be suspicious about having expectations that it would.
Re:Articulate and Incompetent by civilized on Saturday January 22, 2022 @06:10PM (#30041769)
If you lack expertise enough to say if a simple explanation works, you lack expertise in complex ones too, and should probably stop trying to guess what's right based on very weak signals. Which was my original point.
Re:Articulate and Incompetent by FabHK on Saturday January 22, 2022 @05:48PM (#30041589)
I think this is what the article alludes to. There is the famous example of some expert on Rembrandt (or some other painter) that could tell that a specific painting was a forgery, but was not able to pinpoint why he felt that way. (This anecdote might have been in the introduction of some book on intuition, something Malcolm Gladwell-ish, but I can't recall which...)
Re:Articulate and Incompetent by teucris on Saturday January 22, 2022 @03:59PM (#30040759)
Being unable to explain a standpoint is a deal breaker. Even if you’re an expert with good intuition, you should be able to translate that intuition into a coherent argument. I think we don’t do a good enough job of holding people to this bar.

Thus I think there needs to be two criteria here: is the argument plausible, and is backed by evidence or demonstrated expertise. Not just one or the other.

Feels obvious once I write it out, to be honest.

Re:Articulate and Incompetent by car on Saturday January 22, 2022 @04:05PM (#30040825)
This reasoning seems to apply in non-scientific fields, where it’s hard or impossible to refute. Power Poses to induce confidence (from Amy Cuddy) comes to mind, which was ultimately debunked. Or the asinine advice that forcing a smile will make you happy.
Re:Articulate and Incompetent by webmaven on Sunday January 23, 2022 @02:36PM (#30049619)
> > This leads to a stunning possibility implied by the opening quote. True expert intuition may often be associated with poor explanations. We should therefore be extremely suspicious of neat explanations in the broadest domains.

> Does anyone think this is actually a valid or plausible argument for its conclusion?

Not particularly. Most critically, it is in itself a neat explanation.

Re:Articulate and Incompetent by mcguire on Saturday January 22, 2022 @04:04PM (#30040815)
Keep in mind, logic is only as reliable as your axioms. I've seen plenty of logical arguments lead to wrong conclusions.
Re:Articulate and Incompetent by thfuran on Saturday January 22, 2022 @04:12PM (#30040878)
Yes, but logically sound arguments backed by available evidence tend to lead to wrong conclusions less frequently than other strategies.