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Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by shp0ngle on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:06AM (#30020162)
Now that's some nonsense.

iPhone was ways ahead in usability compared to everything else back then.

For all the faults of Apple, they needed to define how smartphones look like and act. Mobile OSes were horrible pain to use. People tolerated that because there was nothing else out there.

Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by zakius on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:07AM (#30020590)
iphone always was behind, basic things always were either convoluted or just impossible, ios is the most painful mobile os I ever encountered
Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by oblio on Friday January 21, 2022 @04:22AM (#30021128)
It wasn't behind the first year or so.

It's not about buttons or even copy-paste as weird as that sounds for a techie.

But zooming on a map with your fingers was a game changer. Zooming an imagine with your fingers. Using your fingers to scroll a list, naturally. And lists are probably the most common UI element except for buttons, labels and images. They're for sure the most common complex element.

Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by zakius on Friday January 21, 2022 @04:40AM (#30021261)
if it adds some ingenious new features but at the cost of removing some basics it is still behind, that's the whole point of w11 issue
Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by oblio on Friday January 21, 2022 @04:44AM (#30021292)
Yeah, but there's a term: "paradigm shift".

It wasn't a "few features" (techie speak), it was a "new way of working" (usually marketing speak, but here it was actually true).

W11 is a few missing features for an existing way of working.

The iPhone had a few missing features for a fundamentally new way of working that was much superior to existing smartphones.

Your complaint was like the handlebars on the new bike being hard to push (which I can workaround by pushing harder, up to a point) while the old bike had square wheels and a chassis meant only for square wheels (which I could not work around).

Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by zakius on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:02AM (#30021448)
"new way of working" on iphone is using fork to move soup from your pot to bowl instead of ladle, that simply doesn't work

pinch to zoom doesn't interfere in any way with easy app installation or easy files transfer, they can coexist (and they do, on android), sync simply doesn't work when you want to quickly drop that one specific file and keep moving, sync doesn't work when one device has much bigger storage than the other, sync doesn't work when you want to easily remove files from one device

"paradigm shift" to golden cage is not a good thing, apple intended to take all responsibility from users but at a cost of being unable to do anything efficiently

Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by oblio on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:47AM (#30021794)
> "paradigm shift" to golden cage is not a good thing, apple intended to take all responsibility from users but at a cost of being unable to do anything efficiently

The original iPhone didn't have an app store, apps were supposed to be web apps.

If you're going to rewrite history, at least do it well.

I get it, you're a techie, just like me. I use Android, I don't like iOS.

But to deny that for the average person the iPhone was the first usable smartphone is just silly at this point.

Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by zakius on Friday January 21, 2022 @09:44AM (#30024135)
how making everything harder made iphone "the first usable smartphone"? that makes no sense
Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by oblio on Friday January 21, 2022 @11:16AM (#30025599)
As an example navigating a list directly with my fingers is much, much faster and more convenient than navigating it with arrow keys (physical or on-display ones).

Navigating a 2D space with my fingers, just dragging around or pinching to zoom, is also much, much faster and more convenient faster than than doing the same with arrow keys (again, either physical or on-display ones).

And navigating through the OS and apps, either through lists and 2D spaces (websites, images, maps, videos, etc.) is a lot more common than copying files around on phones. 100:1, probably. Again, some techie/advanced functionality was lost at the start, but the time and frustration savings from those basic yet intuitive features heavily outweighed their loss.

If you don't agree with this, I guess you either haven't tried pre-iPhone smartphones or you just have a very unorthodox opinion and I'm not very keen to continue this conversation.

Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by 8note on Friday January 21, 2022 @07:43PM (#30031877)
I don't think that's a great description.

It's more like switching from using a spook to move soup to your bowl to eating a sandwich instead

Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by llampx on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:12AM (#30021516)
What basic things are convoluted or impossible on iPhone/ iphone OS?
Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by Arainach on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:14PM (#30026536)
Things on the home screen auto arrange. I can't leave things at the bottom near my thumbs where it's most ergonomic.

It took until last year to get an apps list and not have to have everything pinned to my start screen.

Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by zakius on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:39AM (#30021738)
files transfer, installing apps unwelcome in the main store, using proper contextual content blocker
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Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by desiarnezjr on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:50AM (#30020891)
No. IMO they were awful. Sony had Symbian (?) licensed as I recall on some models, and that was the best of it. Moto, HTC, and Blackberry - ugh. My last two pre-iPhone phones (and I've used many in between Androids - every other phone until about 4 years ago) were Treo with a version of PalmOS and it basically froze anytime you looked at it funny, and a Samsung Windows Mobile device. The hardware was decent enough, but Windows Mobile deserved the death it had.

Don't even get me started on the Blackberry devices of the era. Missed the keyboard still though.

Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by indymike on Saturday January 22, 2022 @07:48AM (#30036209)
Only the G1 (first android) was in iPhone`s class (and may have outclassed iPhone a bit with GPS built in and support for 3g). No one else even got it. It was a complete game changer.
Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by numpad0 on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:26AM (#30020719)
Most of phones you might be thinking is probably post-iPhone. Just couples but I used couple pre-iPhone smartphone OS and oh boy they sucked.
Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by neoberg on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:59AM (#30020943)
I still remember my HP Ipaq 514. i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo on Friday January 21, 2022 @07:30AM (#30022501)
Sorry but none of the offerings were any good I had WindowMobile 4-6 machines, Palms, the Nokia N61 and blackberries they all sucked. The iPhone was 10 years ahead.
Re:The Windows 11 taskbar is an annoying step backward by design-material on Friday January 21, 2022 @06:49AM (#30022223)
The iPhone / 3G / 3GS / 4 were so far ahead of what any of their competitors were doing that it can be difficult to conceptualise it in hindsight.

HTC, Sony, Moto, RIM - there's a reason these companies barely exist in the same form anymore. Samsung were the first to consistently catch-up to Apple - largely because they're official strategy at that point was 'copy Apple'