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Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by nybble41 on Thursday January 20, 2022 @02:55PM (#30013858)
> What is their case then exactly?

Speculating, but TOS generally say that you're not allowed to share your password with anyone. Assuming that's true for the AA site, AA might argue that TPG is encouraging users to break their TOS ("tortious interference").

Though if app doesn't actually share the password with TPG and just uses it locally there may well be a question of whether entering your password into a third-party app actually counts as sharing it with that party. How exactly would this be different logging in from a web browser? It's just a different kind of user agent. Are Google, Mozilla, Microsoft, and Apple guilty of tortious interference simply because the software they release has access to your passwords on your own machine and could report them back? (For that matter, they even store the synced passwords on their servers, though in principle those are supposed to be private.)

Of course there could also be specific terms in the TOS against accessing the service with unapproved user agents, independent of any prohibition on sharing credentials.

Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by KieranMac on Thursday January 20, 2022 @04:04PM (#30014980)
American Airlines is alleging 12 legal claims:

1. Breach of Contract 2. Tortious Interference with a Contract 3. Unfair Competition by Misappropriation 4. Trespass 5. Trademark infringement 6. Dilution 7. Dilution under Texas State Law 8. False Designation of Origin 9. Copyright Infringement 10. CFAA 11. Violation of Texas Harmful Access by Computer Act 12. Unjust Enrichment

Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by akersten on Thursday January 20, 2022 @05:21PM (#30016035)
IMO it would serve the common person well if we changed the way the law works so that if a corporation sues you for a laundry list of things, if a single claim gets thrown out, then they all do. That prevents this insane pile-on where a half-afternoon's work by 4 people in their giant legal department turns into a multi-year nightmare for an average citizen. I think that would be a fair way to reign in the corporate "throw everything at the wall, see what sticks, or at least hope we intimidate this regular Joe into submission" approach that's all too common today.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by tedunangst on Thursday January 20, 2022 @05:58PM (#30016562)
Meh, Red Ventures' estimated $11 billion valuation is slightly more than AA's market cap.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by Dracophoenix on Thursday January 20, 2022 @08:36PM (#30018064)
While I agree with sentiment, I don't agree with the premise or the method. Corporations aren't the only ones stacking charges. Prosecutors and private citizens (usually operating pro se) are just as capable of frivolous litigation. The best action a judge can and should take is to dismiss the meritless claims before proceed to court phase.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by brendoelfrendo on Thursday January 20, 2022 @06:55PM (#30017188)
Then they would just send you 12 consecutive lawsuits. If they're that big and well-funded, they've got the time.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by kmonsen on Thursday January 20, 2022 @08:59PM (#30018252)
But can't they still do that right now? So parents proposal would make the situation a tiny bit better?
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by tedunangst on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:28PM (#30018454)
Generally no. The reason you see a 12 claim filing is because they don't get unlimited do overs. You get some chances to amend the complaint, but once it starts moving forward, that's it.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by lmm on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:04PM (#30018298)
Judges, courts, and basically everyone (including most defendants) would rather have one hearing than 12.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by BeFlatXIII on Thursday January 20, 2022 @07:44PM (#30017667)
That also happens when county prosecutors are up for re-election. Stack charges in case the jury finds one claim weak, there are 5 synonyms for the same underlying crime that the jury is willing to convict on. Also helps with forcing plea bargains.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by paxys on Thursday January 20, 2022 @04:35PM (#30015405)
Curious how Breach of Contract can fly, considering TPG never agreed to a contract with AA to begin with. And AA is obviously not suing their own customers.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by dragonwriter on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:45PM (#30018886)
> Curious how Breach of Contract can fly, considering TPG never agreed to a contract with AA to begin with

AA presents an argument for the ToS binding TPG as a party.

Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by throwaway09223 on Thursday January 20, 2022 @06:28PM (#30016929)
There's a ToS, which is a contract.

From the AA website: "By logging in, you accept the AAdvantage terms and conditions"

Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by dghlsakjg on Thursday January 20, 2022 @07:02PM (#30017259)
Yeah, but it would seem that the points guy ISN'T logging in. The AA customers are logging in using a tool provided by TPG.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by dragonwriter on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:48PM (#30018899)
> but it would seem that the points guy ISN'T logging in. The AA customers are logging in using a tool provided by TPG.

AA provides a number of arguments against that. That's part of the dispute.

Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by throwaway09223 on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:14PM (#30018723)
Do you think TPG has never logged into AA during the development of this tool?
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by ashtonkem on Friday January 21, 2022 @12:49AM (#30019680)
Some of these are serious, like the CFAA claim, some are genuinely hilarious. Dilution? Really? Unfair competition? Are they accusing TPG of creating an airline?
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by paxys on Thursday January 20, 2022 @02:58PM (#30013899)
RIP password managers then, I guess
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by xbar on Thursday January 20, 2022 @03:36PM (#30014496)
Yes. And iCloud-based Safari-storage of passwords for all iPhone users.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by paxprose on Thursday January 20, 2022 @05:43PM (#30016370)
And every piece of financial software that does anything with your banking information.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by dragonwriter on Thursday January 20, 2022 @04:05PM (#30015000)
> Speculating, but TOS generally say that you're not allowed to share your password with anyone. Assuming that's true for the AA site, AA might argue that TPG is encouraging users to break their TOS ("tortious interference").

They specifically claim it's presenting something that is intentionally confusingly similar to an official AA logon screen using copyrighted and trademarked AA content to harvest customer username and password info, does not prominently note it's nonaffiliation with AA, and directly violates the TOS itself, as well as arguing tortious interference, copyright infringement, trademark infringement, trademark dilution, and violation of the CFAA and the Texas equivalent.

They also note a similar dispute settled with a separate firm owned by the same parent before TPG tried to negotiate a deal with AA for permission to access customer data for this purpose and was turned down.

Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by whiddershins on Thursday January 20, 2022 @04:26PM (#30015287)
So I wonder what if any legal difference there would be if TPG was only providing a web app that runs in the browser.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by joquarky on Thursday January 20, 2022 @07:18PM (#30017424)
Also, would there be any legal difference if they wrote a browser plug-in/extension that provides additional information while you're logged into AA's site?
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by pishpash on Friday January 21, 2022 @07:27PM (#30031765)
What if their plug-in advertises for competitors or defames AA or navigates the user immediately away? It's hard to argue it is still a browser/user-agent if it changes or editorializes somebody else's content beyond a certain point.
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by staticassertion on Thursday January 20, 2022 @03:28PM (#30014372)
I doubt that part of a TOS is enforceable as it restricts speech.

edit: No it doesn't, brain fart.

Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by dragonwriter on Thursday January 20, 2022 @03:35PM (#30014490)
> I doubt that part of a TOS is enforceable as it restricts speech.

Contractual restrictions on speech are enforceable.

Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by xmprt on Thursday January 20, 2022 @03:43PM (#30014616)
For a simpler example, think of NDAs
Re:American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other by iso1631 on Thursday January 20, 2022 @03:39PM (#30014557)
What law says someone can't restrict free speech?