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Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by AlotOfReading on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @10:49PM (#29989752)
As an archaeologist for whom the topic of names comes up a lot, why in the world would you give general advice on "Indian" naming? It's obviously specific to individual preferences and you should generally prefer identifying people with nations anyway.
Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by rayiner on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @11:33PM (#29990004)
“Indian” refers to Indians as a whole, especially with respect to their political relationship with the United States. Indians themselves use the term in that context, and it’s the preferred term in, for example, the field of Indian law.

It’s like the term “Asian.” Few people identify as generic “Asian” and it would be incorrect to equate it with a nationality or specific culture. But it does work at a high level to address a group of people who have something in common on a political dimension.

Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @02:09AM (#29990830)
It would be nice if the Canadian term First Nations was adopted for the political sense.
Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by wolverine876 on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:15AM (#29990240)
Where did you learn that?
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Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by SamoyedFurFluff on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:06AM (#29990183)
Asian was a good label to use during the hate crimes, fwiw.
Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by mbg721 on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:25AM (#29990298)
Okay, well, if it helped, it helped.
Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by rayiner on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @10:54AM (#29995239)
In fact the opposite is true.

1) The label was overbroad, since the attacks were on East Asians, not south Asians.

2) The whole thing was manipulated by white liberals for their own purposes. They blamed Trump and “white supremacy” for the attacks, when in reality the attacks where happening in liberal cities like SF and NYC, and most of the attackers were non-white themselves.

In fact, the “Asian” label and identity was used to undermine the interests of Asians. Progressive identity activists used it as an opportunity to attack white conservatives, while reaffirming the need for reduced policing. But that’s not what actual Asian voters in these cities wanted: https://www.slowboring.com/p/yang-gang. They wanted more policing and measures to control the homeless. In NYC, for example, Asians overwhelmingly supported Andrew Yang, who was attacked for expressing moderately law and order views. And in the general election, heavily Asian communities in NYC voted in significant numbers for the Republican candidate, even though the Democrat also ran on a law and order platform: https://www.thecity.nyc/politics/2021/11/11/22777346/chinese.... The Republican candidate was otherwise a complete joke (even the NY Post endorsed the Democrat). But he got 46% of the vote in Brooklyn’s 70% Asian China town.

Sometimes these broad, politically constructed group labels are unavoidable. But labeling a group and getting people to identify with that label is also a tool for manipulating people. Indeed the term “Asian” to refer to a bunch of unrelated nationalities—who often have deep animosity towards each other—was coined by Berkeley political activists: https://time.com/5837805/asian-american-history/

Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by reaperducer on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @08:58AM (#29993659)
why in the world would you give general advice on "Indian" naming?

I'm not. I'm reiterating what has been told to me by close to a dozen Navajo, Hopi, and Zuni indians.

Why would some random archaeologist decide for a large group of people what they should be called, when they call themselves something else?

I happen to have the January 6, 2020 edition of The Navajo Times on my desk. Just skimming the headlines (because I haven't read it yet), I see the following:

"Phoenix Indian Center," "Gallup Indian Medical Center," "Indian Health Service," "Santa Fe Indian."

The Four Corners region of the United States is called "Indian Country" by the indians who live there.

What give you the right to tell people what they can call themselves?

Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by AlotOfReading on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @11:18AM (#29995622)
I'd encourage you to re-read what I wrote, because I've very intentionally avoided telling anyone what they can call themselves.

Part of this whole respecting preferences is that individual terms have to be treated separately. "Indian" is different than "American Indian" which is again different from "Indian country" or "Indian law". Someone may dislike some or most of these without necessarily disliking the others. The ones with specific technical meanings we're unfortunately stuck with in context.

Another popular example of this sort of issue is "Navajo" itself, as many would prefer to be called Diné or some derivative thereof.

Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by deanCommie on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:47AM (#29990417)
CGP Grey made a very convincing video on the argument that at least in the US, unexpectedly enough, "Indian" is probably the most appropriate term to use for Native Americans for a multitude of reasons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh88fVP2FWQ
Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by skywal_l on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @01:51AM (#29990741)
Interesting but there is only a Part 0. Unless it is some sort of inside joke, I was hoping for more.
Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by depaya on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @10:20AM (#29994700)
There is more coming, he's been working on the topic for years. I think the extra long delay between this and the next in the series is due to a combination of his rather slow rate of production, recent American politics, and Covid (both videos inspired by Covid, and Covid preventing visits to America).

He's also put out a number of tangentially related videos inspired by his research work on Indians:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABMV4wXx6Xo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCeMCwxayp0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsWr_JWTZss

Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by deanCommie on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:13PM (#30002401)
> There is more coming

Well....maybe. 2 years is a long gap, even for Grey. I would assume he had hoped to put out much more by now. That he didn't is probably a reflection not just to COVID productivity but also lost motivation.

I hope that's not the case, but who knows...

Re:How the Native American population changed since the last... by PaulDavisThe1st on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @10:12AM (#29994571)
> identifying people with nations anyway.

Always awkward after conquests.