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Re:Russia says Ukraine talks hit 'dead end', Poland warns of... by Ygg2 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @02:03PM (#29925111)
Ok. But reverse positions. Mexico and Canada join Russian federation and Russia start building bases there. And this is despite Russia promising not to do that.

I can't imagine USA acting in cool and peaceful manner when sword of Damocles hangs near them.

Re:Russia says Ukraine talks hit 'dead end', Poland warns of... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 13, 2022 @02:04PM (#29925136)
> Mexico and Canada join Russian federation and Russia start building bases there. And this is despite Russia promising not to do that.

NATO members are not annexed by America. Ukraine isn't part of NATO, and has had no realistic path to membership for some time. And a good way to get American bases in Ukraine is to threaten to invade it.

Re:Russia says Ukraine talks hit 'dead end', Poland warns of... by Ygg2 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @07:16PM (#29928898)
From Russian POV there isn't much of a difference. You basically see your enemy build installation just outside of your backyard.

Sure analogy, ain't perfect, and it's too late to edit. But say they join Russian led pact and Russian build basses there. I'm pretty sure America would throw as big hissy fit as Russia did.

> And a good way to get American bases in Ukraine is to threaten to invade it.

It's a great deterrent as well. NATO members have a policy, attack one, you attack us all, yes. But they also prohibit members that have problematic borders with non-NATO powers.

Adding a member like Ukraine means essentially getting ready for (nuclear) war with Russia. And NATO is, and probably won't be ready.

Seeing list of NATO's recent "victories" seems like a compilation of US greatest fails (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya). So Russia is calling NATO/US bluff.

Re:Russia says Ukraine talks hit 'dead end', Poland warns of... by alkonaut on Thursday January 13, 2022 @02:25PM (#29925452)
But NATO already has land borders to Russia! In five (more?) countries.

NATO has never made a formal “promise” or agreement not to expand. This is a myth that refuses to die it seems.

But this is beside the point. Ukraine isn’t a member so can hardly be responsible for what NATO does. Nor is it offered membership. And they were invaded preemptively? This whole line of reasoning that NATO has anything to do with the invasion of Ukraine years ago is a fabrication.

Re:Russia says Ukraine talks hit 'dead end', Poland warns of... by Ygg2 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @07:31PM (#29929027)
US made deal with Russia in wake of German unification, not to expand NATO/US into Russia's (USSR) sphere of influence. They violated that treaty repeatedly. Now Russia is betting stirring shit in Ukraine is enough for US to decline.

> or is it offered membership. And they were invaded preemptively?

Kinda. A member with existing border dispute has little chance of being admitted.

Re:Russia says Ukraine talks hit 'dead end', Poland warns of... by alkonaut on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:34AM (#29931254)
No such promise was made to not expand. That’s a myth.

> Kinda

Has it been formally invited to join, or formally applied? Otherwise they have not.