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Re:Russia says Ukraine talks hit 'dead end', Poland warns of... by alkonaut on Thursday January 13, 2022 @02:25PM (#29925452)
But NATO already has land borders to Russia! In five (more?) countries.

NATO has never made a formal “promise” or agreement not to expand. This is a myth that refuses to die it seems.

But this is beside the point. Ukraine isn’t a member so can hardly be responsible for what NATO does. Nor is it offered membership. And they were invaded preemptively? This whole line of reasoning that NATO has anything to do with the invasion of Ukraine years ago is a fabrication.

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Re:Russia says Ukraine talks hit 'dead end', Poland warns of... by Ygg2 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @07:31PM (#29929027)
US made deal with Russia in wake of German unification, not to expand NATO/US into Russia's (USSR) sphere of influence. They violated that treaty repeatedly. Now Russia is betting stirring shit in Ukraine is enough for US to decline.

> or is it offered membership. And they were invaded preemptively?

Kinda. A member with existing border dispute has little chance of being admitted.

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Re:Russia says Ukraine talks hit 'dead end', Poland warns of... by alkonaut on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:34AM (#29931254)
No such promise was made to not expand. That’s a myth.

> Kinda

Has it been formally invited to join, or formally applied? Otherwise they have not.

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