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Re:U.S. surgeons transplant pig heart into human patient by dexwiz on Monday January 10, 2022 @11:29PM (#29887552)
Honestly, I felt that the ethics board part was implied. In western universities it's very hard to do animal testing. No one just strolls down to Pets Mart and picks up some mice. The Animal Welfare Act governs animal testing in the United States, and school risk funding if they don't follow the law. To be honest, I don't know the ins and outs of the specific programs. I just know they had to present and get their protocol (experiment) approved. It was a serious thing to present, not a rubber stamp process. If you want more details, I found this doc from my school. Purdue does biomedical testing and is also a premiere large animal veterinary school.

https://www.purdue.edu/research/regulatory-affairs/animal-re...

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Re:U.S. surgeons transplant pig heart into human patient by catgary on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @02:03AM (#29888463)
I know University of Calgary had a bio professor who got in hot water for abusing animals (essentially: he encouraged his student to not anaesthetize animals before surgery to fudge numbers). So there are definitely grad students who will happily torture animals if it can help their career.
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Re:U.S. surgeons transplant pig heart into human patient by thereddaikon on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @10:49AM (#29892905)
Not sure where it came from, but there is a popular notion that scientists are somehow more moral than everyone else. Obviously that's not true. A lot of terrible things were made and many terrible acts committed by scientists. They can be just as depraved as the rest of us.
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Re:U.S. surgeons transplant pig heart into human patient by eru on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @02:09AM (#29976054)
The two things you mention are not necessarily in opposition:

The average scientist could be much more moral than the average human, and you could still get the occasional mad man; just need a large enough population of scientists.

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Re:U.S. surgeons transplant pig heart into human patient by medstrom on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @06:09AM (#29890000)
Damn, they require you to tell them how many mice you've got so you can get that many anaesthesis doses? That rule wasn't thought through.
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Re:U.S. surgeons transplant pig heart into human patient by reportingsjr on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @08:44AM (#29891353)
It is common to use ketamine for anesthesia in animal testing. It's a controlled drug, so you have to keep a pretty good log of it's use.
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Re:U.S. surgeons transplant pig heart into human patient by suifbwish on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @12:51PM (#29894930)
How many Mice do you have?

800,000.

You used ketamine for all of them?

YES.

Thats a lot of ketamine

YES.

Can you show us the mice?

NO.

Why not

We disposed of their bodies after the experiment.

Then how can we verify the data from the experiment?

Give us ketamine for 800,000 more mice

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Re:U.S. surgeons transplant pig heart into human patient by eru on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @02:46AM (#29976292)
Given the amounts of bureaucracy involved, you are probably better off getting your ketamine on the black market.
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