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Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by jevoten on Monday January 10, 2022 @09:32PM (#29886573)
I've heard that the Wachowskis claimed that, but in what way is the Matrix's red pill similar to estrogen pills, or transexuality in general?
Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by ruined on Monday January 10, 2022 @09:40PM (#29886653)
when it was originally written, the most common estrogen pill on the market was red.

short answer: the matrix is gender.

but it also represents any social construct pretty generically, and that's why there's so much confusion.

long answer: duck duck go matrix transgender.

also, like, when a creator tells you their work means a thing, just take them at their word. they would know. you can criticize how well or how poorly it conveys the meaning, or explore what subterfuge is concealed within, but questioning explicit intent is a bit silly.

Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by aahortwwy on Monday January 10, 2022 @11:30PM (#29887566)
> also, like, when a creator tells you their work means a thing, just take them at their word.

This is reductive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reader-response_criticism

Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by ruined on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @01:04PM (#29895173)
explain
Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by aahortwwy on Friday January 14, 2022 @10:11PM (#29943185)
Literary theorists have been debating the nature of meaning within texts for well over a century. The matter is not settled.

You advocate a highly intentionalist interpretation of a work - the author says it means this, so that's what it means.

'jevoten and others in this thread advocate a more formalist interpretation - the meaning lies in what is written.

I drew your attention to a more reader-focused perspective - that meaning comes from the reader's experience of the work, not the work or the author.

To say "they would know" is to sidestep this entire discussion and suggest that there's some objectively correct way of interpreting a text and that correct way is intentionalism. This is reductive because it ignores the reality that many people (theorists and non-theorists) don't put a whole lot of stock in authorial intent.

Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by ruined on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @12:27PM (#29982479)
maybe that's what you think you meant. but my experience of this thread is that you explained your original comment about how i should disregard explanations
Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by aahortwwy on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:44AM (#29990401)
I'm glad we agree.
Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by jevoten on Monday January 10, 2022 @11:53PM (#29887721)
> questioning explicit intent is a bit silly.

I'm not questioning their intent, I'm questioning whether they successfully expressed that intent in the movie.

Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by pseudalopex on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @01:18AM (#29888215)
You asked how the red pill was like estrogen pills. I don't think the Wachowskis said that part was intended though.

Trans people noticed the parallels. I don't think they intended everyone would. They wanted to do more with it too. Switch's Matrix form was supposed to be male.

Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by jevoten on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @09:36AM (#29891877)
So what are the parallels, besides trivial color matching?
Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by yucky on Monday January 10, 2022 @10:00PM (#29886830)
>when it was originally written, the most common estrogen pill on the market was red.

As Don Quixote once said "El Oh El"

Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by ruined on Monday January 10, 2022 @10:17PM (#29886999)
i know, right. reactionaries will misread anything. literally bootstraps and bad apples.
Re:The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M by yucky on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @08:23PM (#29901111)
Are there some sources from the era that the movie was released that make that connection? Or is this just people trying to take back the meaning of the red pill from those scary republicans?