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Re:I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012 by notRobot on Monday January 10, 2022 @05:45AM (#29872874)
I love frame.work as a concept, but it's definitely not a "proven" concept at the moment. The company could very well go under or choose not to support upgrading the laptop.
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Re:I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012 by cehrlich on Monday January 10, 2022 @05:56AM (#29872975)
Even assuming Framework shuts down tomorrow and destroys their existing stock of replacement parts and the specs for making new ones, I would argue that you can at the very least assume permanent availability of RAM, SSD, Display (it uses a commodity panel), fan, and battery (there are knockoff batteries for much more obscure laptops).

I would assume that keyboards, trackpads, etc. will also be available as some laptops bite the dust and are scavenged for parts.

Whether the motherboard/CPU will actually be upgradeable obviously remains to be seen. The 11th Gen CPUs get a lot of flak, but they have good single-core performance which will make them suitable for general use for a long time.

It's at least equally upgradeable as the first ThinkPads with soldered on CPUs, which by today's standards is still pretty good - and if framework deliver on their promises, then it will be even better. But either way the baseline isn't bad.

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Re:I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012 by ihateolives on Monday January 10, 2022 @09:21AM (#29875168)
> I would argue that you can at the very least assume permanent availability of RAM, SSD, Display (it uses a commodity panel), fan, and battery

I mean, you can buy a new-ish Thinkpad where you can replace/upgrade all of those things. You get great compatibility and most hw/sw compatibility bugs are already known and have workarounds. Framework has to have some other value propositions as well besides being able to replace things you mentioned.

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Re:I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012 by cehrlich on Monday January 10, 2022 @11:54AM (#29877697)
As I said, that's the absolute worst-case scenario.

I don't own one personally, but reviews have been overwhelmingly positive so presumably it does have something to offer beyond replaceability. (disclaimer: some people on HN seem to have had some driver issues on Linux on theirs)

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Re:I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012 by goodpoint on Monday January 10, 2022 @11:21AM (#29877134)
> you can at the very least assume permanent availability of RAM, SSD, Display

Quite the opposite. That would only apply to a very popular laptop like some thinkpads.

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Re:I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012 by Dylan16807 on Monday January 10, 2022 @12:20PM (#29878108)
It uses off the shelf RAM and SSDs. For replacement displays I'm not sure but they seem to be pretty widey available for mildly popular devices.
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Re:I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012 by cehrlich on Monday January 10, 2022 @03:11PM (#29881404)
The Framework Laptop uses the same panel as the Acer Swift 3 and several other quite popular laptops, so should be good in that regard.
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