Re:James Webb is fully deployed
by frosted-flakes on Saturday January 08, 2022 @08:06PM
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Here's the math[1]. Seems believable to me. The Web telescope is miniscule conpared to faraway galaxies, and it doesn't emit much light.
[1]: https://mobile.twitter.com/gfish/status/1479339620785524736
Re:James Webb is fully deployed
by idealmedtech on Sunday January 09, 2022 @03:30PM
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I did a little math of my own, and found that while the ratio of these distances is on the order of 10^15, the ratio of the sizes of these objects is on the order of 10^19.
In other words, Webb is only one TEN THOUSANDTH the apparent size of a galaxy that's a _billion light years away_
That's just mind numbing to consider!
Re:James Webb is fully deployed
by dheerendra73 on Saturday January 08, 2022 @07:51PM
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Well galaxies at billions of light years distance are also 100000s light years wide. Rest of the math you can do about resolution now!
Re:James Webb is fully deployed
by heavenlyblue on Saturday January 08, 2022 @07:38PM
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It’s interesting that you are expressing an opinion about something that you could calculate in the same amount of time it took to write down that opinion.
Re:James Webb is fully deployed
by idealmedtech on Saturday January 08, 2022 @10:31PM
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It's been over a decade since my last astrophysics class, but I appreciate you being charitable about my assumed knowledge! I think if anything this thread shows:
1) how absolutely mindblowingly big space is
2) how bad humans really are at intuiting things at the scale of space
It seems like they are going for the "the easiest way to get a right answer is give the wrong answer on the internet" approach.
Re:James Webb is fully deployed
by Spare_account on Saturday January 08, 2022 @07:50PM
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Cunningham's Law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Cunningham#%22Cunningham'...
To be fair, for someone who is not well-versed in either optics or space physics, calculating the answer is not that straight-forward.
You can do pretty well just comparing the ratios of the size to the distance, right? Or is it more than that?
Re:James Webb is fully deployed
by idealmedtech on Sunday January 09, 2022 @03:36PM
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That's a start, for sure, but to do a super accurate calculation (the kind I feel unqualified to carry out), you need to take into account apparent size, redshift, whether or not there's gravitational lensing, interstellar dust in the way, etc etc.
But I want to reiterate that what's meaningful about this discussion is in part how unintuitive things at the far edges of our scales of perception really are. It's a muscle that, left untrained, will lead you to make incorrect characterizations like the one I made.
Re:James Webb is fully deployed
by Spare_account on Saturday January 08, 2022 @07:49PM
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>a truck sized craft at a few million light years?
JWST is three light seconds from earth
Re:James Webb is fully deployed
by idealmedtech on Saturday January 08, 2022 @10:26PM
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Awful typo on my part! Definitely face palmed when I caught it.
I haven't done the math myself, so I'm certain one side of that equation is wrong, but that seems hard to believe!