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Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by parentheses on Saturday January 08, 2022 @11:42AM (#29853334)
i don’t agree. the conveniences afforded by using my apple id for text messages and phone calls while i’m on my work computer is invaluable. on the other hand the windows id doesn’t ever get me anything of value. caveat: my thumbs hate the tiny keyboard so maybe i am particularly sensitive to this annoyance
Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by cjcampbell on Saturday January 08, 2022 @11:56AM (#29853495)
Apple doesn’t make it clear, but you can still get this without using the AppleID to log into your device.

When setting up, create a local account first. You’ll have an opportunity to later log into your AppleID for use with messages, FaceTime, App Store, etc.

You can also switch to a local sign in account after the fact. This may have changed in recent versions, but try going to system preferences and selecting to reset your password. You should see an option to switch to a local account for sign in, which will only impact the log in process. You’ll still be able to keep your id associated for all of the other benefits.

Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by stouset on Saturday January 08, 2022 @12:36PM (#29853977)
What on Earth are you talking about?

I have set up several MBPs from factory over the past ten years and it hasn’t ever been apparent to me that you could use your AppleID to log in locally.

I’ve attached every single one of these devices to my AppleID for iCloud but none of them have used anything but local credentials to sign in. And it’s been far from hard to do. It was—as best as I can tell—the normal setup path.

Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by agrunyan on Saturday January 08, 2022 @12:59PM (#29854245)
Regardless of what the author of the post you’re replying to said, there’s no need to strike such a needlessly condescending tone.
Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by stouset on Saturday January 08, 2022 @02:08PM (#29854999)
It wasn't condescending. It was bewildered.

I have never even noticed the ability to log in with my AppleID (as opposed to local authentication), but GP is arguing that Apple actively makes it difficult to avoid doing so. Something about that is wildly incongruent with my own personal experience and I am truly, genuinely confused.

Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by cjcampbell on Saturday January 08, 2022 @03:59PM (#29856179)
I will acknowledge my language was not as precise as it could have been, but I did not say that Apple is actively trying to be difficult or does this in a way that is unclear to all audiences. They definitely do a heck of a lot better than Microsoft, who I believe has removed the local login option from Windows 11 Home.

However, the commenter I responded to did not realize this. Likewise, most of the non-technical Apple users that I encounter in my work make the same incorrect assumptions. I probably overcorrect a bit here, but I’ve learned that it helps to to validate the experience of the person I’m trying to educate.

To be more precise in my initial statement, I don’t think Apple makes this part of their interface as clear as it could be (or should be), and I don’t think they provide the average user with the information to understand the implications of using Apple credentials to sign into their device. I don’t assume that this is malicious. I’m sure they are driven some by benefits to the company, but I also suspect they think that this makes life easier for their users. There may be some truth to that, but I think it’s a poor default.

I work with small business owners and employees in the health care field (and teach as a University adjunct). At least in the health care context, there are compliance implications associated with these features (something that Apple Support and Genius’s often fail to understand as well).

In terms of the interface, when I’m working with a developer or tech worker, I consider the first-time setup and system preferences UI to be good enough. But I don’t think that’s true when it comes to a therapist, office manager, non-profit director, or even the majority of my undergraduate informatics students.

On a separate note, I do have thick of enough skin not to be bothered by this response, but I hope you consider some of the replies regarding the tone. In this type of forum, reframing that bewilderment as curiosity will be much better received and help you avoid invalid assumptions about your intent!

Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by copperx on Saturday January 08, 2022 @01:42PM (#29854722)
People ought to be allowed to have a personality.
Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by mynameisvlad on Saturday January 08, 2022 @02:07PM (#29854994)
People ought to realize they're talking to other people, as well, not cardboard cutouts with names like "mynameisvlad".

It's not hard to have a personality without being condescending.

Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by copperx on Sunday January 09, 2022 @03:29AM (#29861447)
Being condescending is not nice, but some people have it hardwired as part of their personalities. For example, people who suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by shawnz on Saturday January 08, 2022 @05:47PM (#29857340)
It was only supported in mac OS Yosemite (2014) and removed in Sierra (2016).
Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by tw04 on Saturday January 08, 2022 @11:49AM (#29853414)
>i don’t agree. the conveniences afforded by using my apple id for text messages and phone calls while i’m on my work computer is invaluable.

You don't need to login to the laptop with your Apple ID to do that, you just need to put your account into messenger.

Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by cachvico on Saturday January 08, 2022 @11:47AM (#29853385)
I think the implication is that it's Ok to sign in to iCloud after the installation (and enable all the iCloud sync services). But the login account should be local only.
Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by microtherion on Saturday January 08, 2022 @02:44PM (#29855382)
To the best of my knowledge, it does not make a difference whether you sign in on initial setup or afterward. The difficulties OP was describing, I think, are tied to activating the "Find my Mac" option in iCloud. Once you activate that, you cannot simply log out from iCloud without providing your password. Being able to do so would rather defeat the purpose of "Find my Mac" as a theft prevention mechanism.

So if you don't want the issues described, don't opt into "Find my Mac" (Personally, I'm quite fond of the option, but YMMV).

Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by hobs on Saturday January 08, 2022 @11:53AM (#29853462)
Unless that is a work number that's a big mistake, don't ever expose your personal text messages and phone calls to your employer - its a huge legal problem.
Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by rectang on Saturday January 08, 2022 @12:08PM (#29853612)
Fully agree. I always create employer-specific IDs — Apple, GSuite, Github, and so on. It typically starts from a company email address and fans out.

It confounds me how many of my colleagues don't do this. But when I explain my reasoning, nobody has complained.

I understand that Apple requires its own employees to use personal IDs, which is really messed up. That organizational design flaw probably contributes to situations like the one we're discussing, since it might seem abnormal to an Apple person that someone would be associated with multiple IDs.

Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by sgerenser on Saturday January 08, 2022 @12:39PM (#29854012)
Apple does not require you to use your personal ID on your company laptop, but they do require you to use a [email protected] email for an iCloud account (only really needed for Find My Mac, but you’re allowed to use other iCloud features if desired). Many people for expediency just use their personal account, but after various high profile issues in the news many have realized it’s worth the hassle of creating a second account (e.g. [email protected]).
Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by _rs on Saturday January 08, 2022 @01:36PM (#29854659)
I wonder what Apple’s explanation/justification for this is?
Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by sneak on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:55PM (#30029084)
My guess would be that iCloud UX is designed around a lifestyle with a single account per person, and they want their staff's UX patterns to mirror their customers' as closely as possible.

When you wake up in bed you don't grab two phones, you grab one.

Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by GeekyBear on Saturday January 08, 2022 @03:12PM (#29855670)
One of the account recovery methods is to request that Apple email you an "unlock my iCloud account" web link.

If they were to send that email to your locked iCloud account, you wouldn't be able to receive it.

Re:Tell HN: Full macOS reinstall because Apple ID by hobs on Saturday January 08, 2022 @02:59PM (#29855539)
Operating by fiat? Because they can.