Re:A public letter to CloudFlare to fix their snoopy vendor
by wmf on Friday January 07, 2022 @11:50AM
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IPv6 without any transition mechanism is not Internet access. It's more like a tenth of the Internet. If an ISP has to buy a few addresses to run NAT64 that's a cost of doing business.
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Re:A public letter to CloudFlare to fix their snoopy vendor
by jchw on Friday January 07, 2022 @12:48PM
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What happens when there are literally truly no IPv4 addresses left for sale? Not today’s reality, but the clock is ticking.
Re:A public letter to CloudFlare to fix their snoopy vendor
by wmf on Friday January 07, 2022 @12:52PM
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There will always be IPv4 for sale just as there is always land for sale.
Re:A public letter to CloudFlare to fix their snoopy vendor
by teddyh on Friday January 07, 2022 @01:44PM
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This is the “oil will never run out” argument. Technically true, but irrelevant.
Re:A public letter to CloudFlare to fix their snoopy vendor
by wmf on Friday January 07, 2022 @01:54PM
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I chose my analogy carefully. Oil is consumed but land and IP addresses are not.
Re:A public letter to CloudFlare to fix their snoopy vendor
by jchw on Friday January 07, 2022 @03:06PM
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You can't really just "find" more IPv4 though. Cloud platforms are eating blocks for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and while it's always going to be for sale, there's no reason to expect you'll be able to afford it.
Re:A public letter to CloudFlare to fix their snoopy vendor
by wmf on Friday January 07, 2022 @03:47PM
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Fortunately, if you can't afford IPv4 then no one else can afford it either, which means the incentive to adopt IPv6 is extremely strong and thus you no longer need IPv4.
Re:A public letter to CloudFlare to fix their snoopy vendor
by jchw on Friday January 07, 2022 @05:25PM
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Existing large ISPs and cloud providers with remaining IPv4 addresses and no IPv6 support are not going to have a strong incentive until after the damage is already done.
Re:A public letter to CloudFlare to fix their snoopy vendor
by teddyh on Friday January 07, 2022 @06:33PM
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Why won’t Google, Cloudflare, AWS, etc. simply own all most IPv4 addresses and leave all end users using NAT (or even CGNAT) to access them? This cements their businesses, since then nobody can reasonably host their own servers except through them.
Re:A public letter to CloudFlare to fix their snoopy vendor
by 8organicbits on Friday January 07, 2022 @12:54PM
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It works both ways though, doesn't it? If you are IPv4 only, you can't access/can't be accessed from the whole internet. If you are IPv6 only, same applies.
Re:A public letter to CloudFlare to fix their snoopy vendor
by wmf on Friday January 07, 2022 @12:59PM
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No, because there is nothing interesting that's IPv6-only.
Re:A public letter to CloudFlare to fix their snoopy vendor
by tankenmate on Friday January 07, 2022 @01:55PM
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That depends a great deal on what country / language is your norm.