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Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by bitcoinmonger2 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:23PM (#29830405)
If more countries ban crypto mining we can successfully perform a 51% attack and destroy the value of Bitcoin, which should eradicate this useless and wasteful technology forever. Hopefully more countries follow suit and the attack can begin.
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by exdsq on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:32PM (#29830529)
I can't imagine disliking a technology so much I put it as my username and spend my free time writing about how much I hate it on tech forums
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by IMTDb on Thursday January 06, 2022 @07:49PM (#29833090)
When that technology becomes a non-trivial part of the global CO2 emission without bringing any value for anyone except select few "investors", it becomes an issue.

Completely shutting down all cryptos would have the following effects:

- Immediately reducing electricity consumption worldwide

- Making money transfer for illegal activities (drug, human trafficking, prostitution, gambling, ...) harder

- Making money laundering of said activities harder

- Reducing the electronic chip shortage

- Forcing a bunch of young, adventurous, often quite clever people to find another source of revenues. Hopefully by providing some tangible value to society

It sound like a good plan. The only real I see are for people using cryptos in authoritative regimes, so overall a net benefit for the world.

Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by rasengan on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:33PM (#29830542)
There is a concerted effort going on here.
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by sudosysgen on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:03PM (#29830947)
No. A lot of people just passionately hate bitcoin, for rational reasons. It's not concerted. The government isn't sending people to HN to dissuade you from buying Bitcoin. If the powers that be wanted to shut down bitcoin, all they'd have to do is come together, agree to seize all mining equipment, and do a 51% attack together to fill the Blockchain with trash. Maybe also run some stings on BTC exchanges. They don't need to convince you not to use it.
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by exdsq on Thursday January 06, 2022 @07:25PM (#29832823)
"All they'd have to do is come together, agree to seize all mining equipment, and do a 51% attack together"

Think this through for a bit. Governments have holdings in bitcoin. Financial institutions have holdings in bitcoin. Citizens have significant percentages of their savings in bitcoin. Bitcoin is available in various financial instruments now, so this would have knock-on effects in the wider market. A large percentage of crypto hash rate is from unknown parties or distributed on regular computers/phones/botnets, so the governments would have to invest money into mining equipment to run this 51% attack that would end up being totally dead money after the attack. You'd have lobbying from huge money sources to stop this happening. You'd have governments looking to take advantage of this. You'd be trying to destroy the legal tender of some countries which I believe is illegal under international law. By increasing the hash rate you'd be increasing the price of the coin and incentivizing people to defend against it. And, if it all happened, people could do what happened to Ethereum and simply fork Bitcoin from the point of the attack. No more mining equipment? Run PoS.

Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by CaptainZapp on Friday January 07, 2022 @09:29AM (#29839470)
> Governments have holdings in bitcoin

What governments have holdings in bitcoin? If you refer to El Salvador I don't think that this is a shining example. If you're referring to failed states, like Venezuela, I'd like to see a source for your assessment. Having as much funds as possible in hard currency is much more important for such countries. That's why I don't buy it.

> Financial institutions have holdings in bitcoin

I'm working in finance and argue that they don't hold funds in bitcoin. At least not their own funds. Sure, they're looking into crypto and blockchain. They could miss on the next big thing (yet to materialize). But I've yet to see a marketable offering, or a useful solution based on the technology by any reputable financial institution. If you know of an established bank (I rule out crypto exchanges in any form), which invests in crypto I'm interested in who this may be.

Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by sudosysgen on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:37PM (#29833561)
Bitcoin is not the sovereign currency of any country, so there is no issues as far as international law.

Sure, lobbying is an issue, but if the government is lobbied to support crypto, they support crypto. I'm starting from the assumption that they see it as an existential threat and want to eradicate it.

When I say "governments", I mean the likes if China, the US, and some key states of the EU. Really not that many.

Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by djbebs on Friday January 07, 2022 @02:46AM (#29836233)
Did you miss the part where El Salvador made it one of its official currencies?
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by sudosysgen on Friday January 07, 2022 @03:45AM (#29836654)
Official currency != Sovereign currency.

El Salvador also had the US dollar as an official currency, does that mean they get to sue you if you destroy US dollars or devalue the currency (as the US can do)? Of course not, because while it's a currency the Salvadoran government agrees to accept, it's not actually their sovereign currency.

Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by CaptainZapp on Friday January 07, 2022 @09:30AM (#29839481)
It doesn't really look like a roaring success as of now.
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by jmakov on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:31PM (#29830516)
In my country they closed a bank account of a dude that was critical to a politician. And the bank acc of his wife. Central EU, "developed world". They can't do this wit your private crypto wallet.
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by paxys on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:42PM (#29830667)
The problem in this case is the government not the banking technology. Do you really think if there are armed police at your house to intimidate you you are safe because there's a crypto wallet on your phone?
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by nudpiedo on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:52PM (#29830788)
In Europe they both go by the hand. It just doesn’t cringe loud as they usually cooperate peacefully.
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by fragmede on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:52PM (#29830785)
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by random_kris on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:48PM (#29831639)
I saw another comment of your, about what case you are talking about. I thought hackernews was not overly sensational :(
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by secondcoming on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:36PM (#29830584)
What's to stop miners, or exchanges, agreeing to blacklist certain wallet addresses?
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by rini17 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:49PM (#29830759)
That it won't work even for fiat? Of course there are some blacklists against certain prominent persons but the vast majority of dirty money goes around unfettered.
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by dgellow on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:35PM (#29830577)
Which country?
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by jmakov on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:57PM (#29830875)
Used to be Slovenia. Now more Slovenian democratic repulic. Democratic in the name so you know democracy works...
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by sudosysgen on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:56PM (#29830861)
Probably Bulgaria, Romania, or Poland.
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by finite_jest on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:38PM (#29830626)
> Also, single-purpose accounts are not allowed here generally, because they aren't compatible with the value of curiosity that's supposed to animate this place (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). [1]

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29692666

Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by throwawaygh on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:29PM (#29831365)
I'm not sure that "discussing crypto" should count as single-purpose. Otherwise many of the more interesting people who post on hn are almost certainly single-purpose posters (on whatever their pet topic/project/area of expertise happens to be).

In any case, I found the above post compelling. What if critics of crypto pooled resources and waited for a major crisis, and then launched a 51% attack at just the right moment? It's an interesting thing to think about.

Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by ChainOfFools on Thursday January 06, 2022 @10:50PM (#29834601)
if ever the threat of a sustained and deeply-buried 51% attack actually appeared, the core devs, effectively meaning Adam Back, would just find an excuse to fork away by declaring the exploited fork uncanonical (in so many words).

The mob of laser-eye HODLbugs will fall right in line and go on full social media attack against anyone supporting the old chain. All will all vehemently deny any ensuing comparison to ETH vs ETH classic.

Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by marvelmarvel on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:31PM (#29830510)
Is there a less interesting place to discuss crypto than HN?
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by HatchedLake721 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:30PM (#29830503)
Found Mojo Jojo
Re:Bitcoin network power slumps as Kazakhstan crackdown hits... by pcdoodle on Thursday January 06, 2022 @06:57PM (#29832520)
Go lick a boot.