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Re:What is the point of imagining new technologies without n... by avgcorrection on Thursday January 06, 2022 @09:31AM (#29823930)
Buying a house or home is the biggest expense that most people will have in their lives, and people have to pay back that loan over decades. And you mention that as a “drag” and dismiss it as “something we do to ourselves and each other”… what? It’s irrelevant whose “fault” it is. Of course that kind of thing will have a huge impact of what kind of life one can afford “on a modest salary nowadays”…
Re:What is the point of imagining new technologies without n... by frankus on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:18PM (#29829421)
I think this is one of the biggest drags on the economy of the anglosphere, along with healthcare costs (which on some level could be connected).

The cost to construct brand new housing is considerably under US$100k per person where I live (US smaller coastal city, considering a smallish walk-up building), if you exclude land costs. At current interest rates, that could be financed at around $200/month, around $1/hour of full-time work.

In reality, a unit that costs $200/month in construction financing might cost ten times that to actually rent. Most of that reflects the cost of acquiring the land.

In principle, there is no reason that land needs to be particularly expensive in a lot of the places where it is. My guess is that a lot of the current price reflects land's status as an investment vehicle, which is largely an intentional policy choice (albeit one that might be politically infeasible to substantially change).

Re:What is the point of imagining new technologies without n... by iso1631 on Friday January 07, 2022 @03:15AM (#29836422)
It's also why a land value tax would be awesome

Either land keeps its value, in which case income and capital gains tax are no longer needed as government income would be enourmous

Or land loses its investment appeal, and is instead just the competition between different people in how well they can use it

It seems crazy to me that there are acres of land in Manhatten than are used for street level parking

Re:What is the point of imagining new technologies without n... by nostrademons on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:23PM (#29830403)
Land is expensive because everyone wants to live within the same 5-mile radius around the "good jobs". There's lots of land in the U.S; there are very few corporate headquarters of growing companies.

At the same time, it's hard to fault buyers for this. Commuting sucks (what price do you put on 2 hours out of your day?), and the difference between a "good job" and an "okay job" can be an order of magnitude in income these days.

Re:What is the point of imagining new technologies without n... by frankus on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:21PM (#29829476)
Forgot to add that it steers a lot of investment into a zero-sum speculation game that could be going into investments that create (rather than transfer) value.