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Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by rocqua on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:27AM (#29821272)
Scary thing is. Milder disease is a constant factor improvement in hospitalization. But faster spreading (higher R value) is an exponential worsening in hospitalization.

It's probably better to have a 50% hospitalization rate and an R value of 0.8 than a 5% hospitalization rate and an R value of 2. After 3 'generations' of spreading the second situation already has more hospitalizations.

Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by nradov on Thursday January 06, 2022 @11:33AM (#29825719)
The CDC has estimated the overall hospitalization rate since the start of the pandemic at about 5%. Now with vaccines and other improved outpatient therapies the hospitalization rate is dropping.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

The Omicron variant R0 value appears to be somewhere in the 7 - 10 range.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2...

Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by parkingrift on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:05AM (#29823041)
> It's probably better to have a 50% hospitalization rate and an R value of 0.8 than a 5% hospitalization rate and an R value of 2. After 3 'generations' of spreading the second situation already has more hospitalizations.

Sure, but those aren’t the only choices. Over the last 30 days the daily case average has increased by 500%. During that same time the daily average hospitalized has risen 100%.

And the test positivity rate has increased to almost 30%, which implies an almost comical undercount in actual cases.

The contagiousness and severity are diverging in an extraordinary way. We’re likely undercounting cases by 1/5 or 1/10th.

Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by ianhawes on Thursday January 06, 2022 @11:18AM (#29825471)
The testing positivity rate is relatively useless at this point. For example, in my State, there is no way to report a positive test from a rapid result. Only PCR tests administered by a medical professional are considered valid for statistical purposes, even though the government is giving out free rapid tests.
Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by thomaslord on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:57PM (#29830044)
This is for good reason. Rapid tests are substantially less sensitive and often give false negatives, especially for asymptomatic cases. There are also a lot of rapid "at home" tests out there that have high false positive rates, so even if non-PCR tests were added to the data the only reasonable approach would be to still require them to be administered by a medical professional to make sure the test is correctly administered and that the test itself is relatively high quality.
Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by ianhawes on Friday January 07, 2022 @01:46PM (#29843033)
The idea that rapid tests are less sensitive and therefore not valuable is summer-2020 thinking and outdated.

Rapid tests are perfectly fine and should be counted by health departments.

Case in point. My family of 4 all tested positive on rapid tests. 3/4 of us had symptoms. None of us received PCR tests because the next available appointments (other than a 6 hour wait at a state run testing center) were a week away.

Thats 4 people not counted. And we were part of an outbreak that included 3 other families that all tested positive via rapid tests.

Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by parkingrift on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:15PM (#29826360)
I don't think it's useless. I think it's a pretty good indication that there are many multiples of actual cases for every confirmed case. If covid cases have risen 5,000% in 30 days, but hospitalizations have only risen 100%, that's an extraordinarily positive outcome.
Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by TobTobXX on Thursday January 06, 2022 @11:57AM (#29826073)
Unknown cases don't use up ICU and hospital beds and don't result in deaths, so who cares?
Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by parkingrift on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:12PM (#29826329)
It's pretty important to determine actual severity rates.
Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by rhino369 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:20PM (#29826450)
An R value of .8 would quickly go extinct.
Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by rocqua on Friday January 07, 2022 @02:10AM (#29836001)
Exactly!
Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by tomp on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:05AM (#29821603)
Maybe but “exponential growth” is a conspiracy theory promoted by epidemiologists. In reality, growth follows the S-curve, so a milder, faster spreading disease will also saturate the population (flatten the S-curve) much sooner, so overall the impact will be much less.
Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by KSteffensen on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:37AM (#29821862)
I've seen this argument elsewhere and I don't get it. From my understanding the limitation on exponential growth, the flattening of the top part of the S-curve, comes from total population. There is no one left to infect, basically.

If the rising part of the S-curve is steep, that means people get infected within a shorter timespan and a corresponding higher load on hospital beds and healthcare personnel, which is what we are trying to avoid with the lockdowns.

What am I missing?

Also, calling exponential growth a 'conspiracy theory' seems unnecessary

Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by cinntaile on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:51AM (#29821974)
A conspiracy theory lol. When they talk about exponential growth, they are talking about an R0 > 1. Yes, after some point it drops under 1 and flattens out because there are fewer and fewer people to infect.
Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by _Microft on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:10AM (#29821641)
You want to keep the number of cases in a range that the health care system still can deal with. Reaching the the flat part of an S-curve (i.e. infecting everyone as fast as possible) is NOT desirable because that leads to many cases in very short term.
Re:Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado by ngcc_hk on Thursday January 06, 2022 @11:19AM (#29825486)
That what I hope for. It looks like uk is like this. But is USA like this?