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Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by mikesabbagh on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:23PM (#29817852)
why do you want to work for Amazon and Google when there are so many great companies that would appreciate you every day (and pay you more)
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by darth_avocado on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:53PM (#29818111)
No. There are companies where you can have a life, but they are boring. And there are companies that pay you more, but there’s always a catch. In my long resume consisting of Startups to SV Giants, not one company paid you a lot to do less work.
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by bumby on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:00PM (#29818164)
I’ve heard it described as: “You can work on interesting problems, have a great work-life balance, or get paid really well, but you can only select two.”
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by nerdponx on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:11AM (#29820742)
I don't care about interesting problems. I want to get paid really well and have a great work-life balance.

But I don't think those jobs exist unless you're already an expert in something and can get by on the expertise that you already have. Please prove me wrong!

Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by bumby on Friday January 07, 2022 @09:26AM (#29839432)
My take is that any desirable combination probably takes some up-front work, sacrifice, and luck.

For your example combination, I've known entrepreneurs who've met that mark, but it took some initial risk taking and sacrifice. The work isn't sexy by most SV measures but they make extremely good money and one in particular takes months off every year to travel in Europe while in his 30s. I wouldn't call them an 'expert', they just found a niche that other people didn't find interesting enough to pursue.

Likewise, for other combinations (say 'interesting work + high pay') you may have to put in early work for a PhD where you aren't getting paid well initially. For other combinations ('work-life-balance + interesting work') I've known people who essentially worked for free in order to network and prove themselves until they were offered one of those positions.

I guess the point I'm making is that those desirable combinations don't naturally just fall into the laps of most of us but are the product of deliberate and conscience up-front work that can't necessarily be templated out.

Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by Retric on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:06PM (#29818225)
The consultant side can do all three, but it’s a tough balancing act. You need the right niche, the right connections, great technical skills, and great social skills.
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by pjmlp on Thursday January 06, 2022 @02:23AM (#29820450)
Or work for an agency. :)
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by bumby on Friday January 07, 2022 @09:19AM (#29839354)
*As a contractor

I don't think most civil servants qualify for the high pay portion (at least by comparison to SV pay scales), as their pay is capped. And work as a contractor brings about a host of other issues

Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by arvinsim on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @10:24PM (#29818940)
Maybe it's just me but finding a job that has great work-life balance and pays well is hard.
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by bumby on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @10:49PM (#29819124)
“Pays well” is probably relative. You can certainly find them in lower cost-of-living areas by the local standard but it’s pretty hard to find SV-type pay
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by jjav on Thursday January 06, 2022 @02:27AM (#29820474)
I would like "interesting problems" + "great work-life balance". Any recommendations on places these days? Don't seem to exist anymore, sadly.
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by nickd2001 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:21AM (#29821744)
Government. Academia. Speaking from experience. :). You won't get rich, but you won't starve either. And your pension might not be a complete disaster.
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by bumby on Friday January 07, 2022 @09:30AM (#29839484)
Just to pile on late, I would add to this. To meet the "interesting" part, you may be able to extend it to a National Laboratory, which is a bit quasi-government.

The academia route certainly exists, but the glut of of PhDs compared to available positions combined with the amount of complaining I've heard from non-tenured professors would make me a bit hesitant to advocate this route as a general recommendation. But there are other staff positions that might better fit that bill

Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by gmac on Thursday January 06, 2022 @07:55AM (#29822949)
Seconded (I’m in academia, my wife is in government).
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by mcejp on Friday January 07, 2022 @09:27AM (#29839450)
CERN ;)
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by sameerds on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:49AM (#29821954)
Totally my life. I keep the middle one fixed, and then see-saw on the other two!
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by jrockway on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:46PM (#29818049)
Who is paying more than Amazon and Google right now? Investment banks, maybe?
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by decafninja on Thursday January 06, 2022 @09:20AM (#29823793)
Haha, investment banks do not pay SWEs well at all (outside of certain rare elite niche roles anyways).

You'll be lucky to make half the compensation a FAANG engineer makes at a typical investment bank while always being treated as a second class cost center employee.

Amongst the FAANG companies, my understanding for compensation is:

Netflix, Facebook > Google > Apple, Amazon

...adding in the MULA companies, believe Uber, Lyft, and Airbnb are towards the upper end of the spectrum while Microsoft is towards the lower. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by tfehring on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:46PM (#29819511)
https://levels.fyi/2021

Also my impression is that Amazon’s effective comp is significantly below the headline number because they heavily backload RSUs and they burn out or fire so many people in the first couple years.

Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by oangemangut on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:31AM (#29819851)
usually the signing bonus they offer for years 1 and 2 makes up for the backloaded RSU schedule... at least that's mostly how my offer worked circa 2019
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by free652 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:35PM (#29818454)
Quants: Citadel and Jane Street.
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by bimboler38 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:31AM (#29819845)
GL getting in. The interviews are arguably harder than that of FAANG.
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by flippinburgers on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:52AM (#29821459)
I have never had the luck (I guess) to run across a company that is both great to work at and pays well.
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by ethbr0 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @05:19AM (#29821722)
If they're great to work at, they don't have to pay top dollar to attract and (more importantly) retain people.
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by decafninja on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:59PM (#29828175)
I would argue most* FAANG and similar companies are some of the best companies to work at as a SWE, in addition to paying well.

No company is perfect, not even FAANG. However despite their many warts, I would argue they are still better than working at most other companies outside of the Silicon Valley tech sector where the vast majority of SWEs are employed.

* Of course, there are exceptions. Amazon seems to be particularly notorious.

Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by NotSammyHagar on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:01AM (#29821060)
Google and amazon pay pretty well. Please list a few companies that treat you better and pay more.
Re:I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months by throw1234651234 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:39PM (#29817992)
(and pay you more).

No.