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Re:Real Problems That Web3 Solves, Part 1 by lmm on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:41PM (#29803830)
OAuth helps but it still forces you to rely on a single central provider as your "root". So it's not a complete solution.
Re:Real Problems That Web3 Solves, Part 1 by threeseed on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:14PM (#29804106)
> still forces you to rely on a single central provider as your "root"

So what ? I am still struggling to understand what immediate and painful need users have with trusting Apple, Facebook, Google etc with their identity.

If people had some issue with this then users would simply not use OAuth and default to creating an account for each service they use.

Re:Real Problems That Web3 Solves, Part 1 by lmm on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @11:40PM (#29805188)
> I am still struggling to understand what immediate and painful need users have with trusting Apple, Facebook, Google etc with their identity.

It's not so immediate until you get banned, but they've all been gradually stepping up their politicised banwaves. And there's always the concern about what happens when one of them goes the way of Yahoo.

> If people had some issue with this then users would simply not use OAuth and default to creating an account for each service they use.

Which has huge practical headaches, to the point that OAuth being the least-bad option doesn't say a lot.

Re:Real Problems That Web3 Solves, Part 1 by ShamelessC on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @07:35AM (#29808188)
What's to stop e.g. Google from creating a blacklist of these public identities again?
Re:Real Problems That Web3 Solves, Part 1 by lmm on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:34PM (#29818443)
Defaults and ease for site operators matter. Google could publish a blacklist but it would be opt-in, and if one blacklist starts being unreasonable then site operators can easily switch to another.
Re:Real Problems That Web3 Solves, Part 1 by ShamelessC on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:16AM (#29820097)
What's to stop Google from creating and using an internal blacklist - not for publishing.
Re:Real Problems That Web3 Solves, Part 1 by lmm on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:10AM (#29820737)
Google can blacklist you from Google, but they wouldn't control your login to other sites the way they currently do with OAuth.
Re:Real Problems That Web3 Solves, Part 1 by betwixthewires on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:41AM (#29811251)
> If people had some issue with this then users would simply not use OAuth and default to creating an account for each service they use.

Do you really believe this? Plenty of people use services they don't particularly like because it's better than the alternative or they have an immediate need. I know lots of people who didn't want to use zoom but needed to, have a Facebook account to keep up with family even though they'd rather not, etc.

Plenty of people would love an option that works as easy as oauth but doesn't lock them to a FAANG provider. Just because they use it when there's not another option doesn't mean they wouldn't use another option if it existed.

Re:Real Problems That Web3 Solves, Part 1 by post_from_work on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @11:40PM (#29805195)
>>> I am still struggling to understand what immediate and painful need users have with trusting Apple, Facebook, Google etc with their identity.

Using your Google account to log into everything is great....until your account gets locked.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/not-even-google-employees-can-unl...

Re:Real Problems That Web3 Solves, Part 1 by kobasa on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:00AM (#29808347)
>I am still struggling to understand what immediate and painful need users have with trusting Apple, Facebook, Google etc with their identity.

Are you actually serious right now?

Re:Real Problems That Web3 Solves, Part 1 by Tesl on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:33PM (#29819427)
Because the number won't go up if we don't decentralise it duh