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Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by Spivak on Monday January 03, 2022 @12:07PM (#29783056)
The meme that people buy Apple products as status symbols needs to die at some point. If you can name one single other manufacturer making products at the quality of an iPhone but at half the price then you can call them overpriced. I don't normally like to use the "if it was possible someone would have done it by now" argument but there are literally millions of Apple copycats and wannabees and they all suck. Apple's product design and manufacturing is insanely good and can be felt going to any big box store and picking up any laptop. If you don't care about that then of course you'll say they're overpriced because dollars aren't going to places you don't care about. It's why I love my M50x's, they're cheap ass plastic and faux leather because every dollar went into the inside.

Look I spent probably eight years deriding iPhones with some stupid sense of techno-superiority with my Android until I actually tried one. They are so much better holy shit, the speed of Safari alone is worth the price of admission.

Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by rndgermandude on Monday January 03, 2022 @12:27PM (#29783353)
>Apple's product design and manufacturing is insanely good

Apple might be qualitatively better than most, but I wouldn't call it quantitatively "insanely good". The product design often has major "bugs", like "you are holding it wrong" iPhone 4 or the macbook pro keyboards that stopped working a lot.

I myself had a screen replacement once on a mbp 2015 model because the "protective coating" peeled off... a known problem and Apple replaced it for free even tho I was a few months outside of my warranty.

And the power cable had a tendency to shed off the outer isolation layer and/or "fray", which is by no means a problem only I had given the many "how to fix" DIY youtube videos. Same thing with other cables, like the Lightning ones, I am told.

Cooling in the Intel macbook pros and airs also was a constant problem, and the engineering seems ridiculous at times[0].

That was the product design side... the manufacturing... not really what Apple does itself. The same manufacturers who work for Apple usually work for a lot of other companies as well. It might be that Apple insists on better quality (and maybe even pays a premium). But the iPhones I saw do not look like they had a lot better manufacturing quality than the phones I was using (I am not talking about better/more expensive components, that's a design decision).

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiCBYAP_Sgg

Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by MertsA on Monday January 03, 2022 @12:54PM (#29783792)
Don't forget the incident when just running Windows on your MacBook could damage the speakers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh-TdgfSNLs

Or more recently the 2019 MBP where plugging in the charger on the left side of the machine would cause it to thermal throttle whereas the right side was fine.

Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by fragmede on Monday January 03, 2022 @12:49PM (#29783717)
BMWs are better "driving machines" than Honda Civics. They're still a luxury car and status symbols. Things can be two things at once. Just as the Honda Civic will get you from point A to point B just fine, there's a phone less than half the price of a new iPhone 13 pro will do what smartphones need to do these days. You just look like old-fashioned and not very "with it" if you do.

Guess how well that phone sells?

Not very well. It sells so poorly that the manufacturer's announced they're going to stop making them. It's even from the same manufacturer but the paucity of its sales is what makes me believe a lot of people are iPhones for status symbols. I'm talking, of course, about the $400 iPhones SE (vs the iPhone 13 Pro which clocks in at $1,000). There are other differences too, but you will get made fun of, either to your face, or behind your back, for having a 'phone with a button'.

Just own up to the fact that you have a luxury phone.

Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by Spivak on Monday January 03, 2022 @01:59PM (#29784751)
This is such a weird view of the world, Apple products are the Honda Civics. They're literally mass-market products with 50% market share in the US. They're not some snooty artisanal soda, they're Coke, and you're over here arguing that if you drink anything other than Big K you're doing it for the status.

You are allowed to aim a little higher than rice and beans for dinner without fear of it being called gourmet. It's been a decade since anyone cared what kind of phone you have. My four year old used iPhone with a cracked screen makes me look rich AF I'm sure.

Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by skinnymuch on Monday January 03, 2022 @02:28PM (#29785192)
> but you will get made fun of, either to your face, or behind your back, for having a 'phone with a button'.

What? We must be living in different worlds. Being made fun of is bizarre.

There’s an iPhone SE 2 as well. I have it.

Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by plorkyeran on Monday January 03, 2022 @04:24PM (#29787130)
Are you a teenager? I can understand phone status mattering a lot to them, but if someone tried to make fun of me for using an iPhone SE2 I'd just laugh at them for trying to assign status to such an embarrassingly minor thing.
Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by Someone on Monday January 03, 2022 @12:40PM (#29783580)
I think many people conflate at least 3 different terms when discussing whether iPhones are expensive:

- “Luxury good” is objective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_goods: “a luxury good (or upmarket good) is a good for which demand increases more than what is proportional as income rises, so that expenditures on the good become a greater proportion of overall spending” (luxury goods need not be expensive, either, especially if they only become useful in combination with other items that are expensive. Many people can afford to buy golf balls, but I think they still are luxury goods because golf clubs, club membership, and the ability to find time to play golf all are luxury goods)

- “Status symbol” is subjective, with groups of people deciding whether something is a status symbol. Status symbols need not even be expensive. Cultural or legal norms can prohibit the “don’t haves” from acquiring them (in Rome, not everybody was allowed to wear a toga, for example).

- “Overpriced” is subjective, with each individual deciding for themselves whether they think something is overpriced. Because of this, arguing whether an item _is_ overpriced is useless.

I see “overpriced” as 100% distinct from “has high profit margin” That’s objective, but a consequence of the value users see in a product (either as a functional item or as status symbol)

I don’t have the numbers, but chances are that iPhones are luxury goods. Whether they’re the other two depends on context. If you work at the Free Software Foundation, they may not be status symbols, for example.

Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by yonaguska on Monday January 03, 2022 @12:26PM (#29783347)
I'm still not an iPhone owner, but I'm close. The presence of a do not disturb physical button on the phone, the UI...with my pixel, it's not always a simple one swipe to the flashlight button. Which is amazingly annoying compared to even older phones. I have since bought a dedicated flashlight.
Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by cozzyd on Monday January 03, 2022 @12:39PM (#29783562)
I just shake my (cheapo moto) phone for a flashlight. That doesn't work on pixels?
Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by jjulius on Monday January 03, 2022 @12:24PM (#29783314)
You can be both a status symbol and an objectively superior product; they are not mutually exclusive.

A laptop can be bought by someone who says, "Ooh, Apple, new, shiny, cool," and the next person to buy the same laptop might say, "This is the objectively better device for my use case."

Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by ncmncm on Monday January 03, 2022 @06:44PM (#29788738)
The truth is clear when it costs more but is is objectively worse, yet sells anyway.

The most characteristic Apple customer experience is persuading themselves that they can learn to live without the feature deleted in the latest software update.

Re:$2,500 Ethernet Switch Effectively Isolates Audiophiles f... by AniseAbyss on Monday January 03, 2022 @12:44PM (#29783646)
Another day on the internet where someone states their opinion as truth. Truly you have convinced me Brother I'm torching my android phone right now.