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Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by onethought on Sunday January 02, 2022 @03:08AM (#29766807)
It doesn’t follow that errors will be catestrophic. It could be the car just fails to handle edge case situations and just stops… granted on a highway that’s bad but everywhere else, that’s a hassle to traffic at worst. Also highway full self driving is much closer to being a solved problem.

Even the failures you see in the beta of Tesla FSD, aren’t catestrophic. The worst I’ve seen is a curb strikes in terms of actual “accidents”

Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by tjoff on Sunday January 02, 2022 @03:44AM (#29766991)
What you are describing is level 4. And if tesla were anywhere near that that would be freaking brilliant.

Tesla FSD has many deaths and countless serious accidents under it's belt. Which doesn't necessarily have to be that bad, but as expected a computer doesn't make the same kind of mistakes that a human does and the kind of mistakes that tesla does doesn't inspire confidence (but rather nightmare fuel that you just can't wake up from).

They should be banned until they have level 4 and take responsibility for their cars actions. Blaming it on a human driver and calling it a day is ludicrous.

Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by yissp on Sunday January 02, 2022 @11:42AM (#29770228)
> a computer doesn't make the same kind of mistakes that a human does

I think this is particularly problematic because with other humans, we can at least develop a sense of what types of mistakes they tend to make and try to adjust our driving accordingly. Things like not driving in another person's blind-spot, etc. but also more subtle stuff. I feel like there a sort of hive-mind that develops amongst drivers and probably makes things safer than they would otherwise be.

Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by onethought on Monday January 03, 2022 @01:28AM (#29777970)
Sorry. I haven’t seen any evidence of anything you said.

There have been 0 deaths from FSD and as far as I’m aware only 1 crash. Do you mean autopilot? Or navigate on auto pilot?

Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by dncornholio on Sunday January 02, 2022 @05:13AM (#29767425)
I just looked up a random video of someone testing FSD 10.8 and in the first few minutes, it failed to signal before changing lanes and it almost caused an accident. All the while the driver is saying how good it is and how comfortable he is.. The car drives not smoothly at all and does random braking when around pedestrians.

The car also features a yoke instead of a wheel. Which makes holding the yoke while autopilot is driving almost impossible.

Autonomous driving is a mess.

Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by onethought on Monday January 03, 2022 @01:29AM (#29777985)
So my point exactly… it’s not catastrophic… it’s just shitty.

“Nearly accident” is the same as “not an accident” and definitely not: catastrophic .

Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by PKop on Monday January 03, 2022 @11:25AM (#29782420)
>it’s not catastrophic… it’s just shitty

This is because drivers are giving 100% attention to monitoring the car in these scenarios. So again, this means the tool is useless (right now it is), or if the driver stops paying attention and becomes an unfocused passenger (the actual point of self-driving) then the tool becomes absurdly deadly.

Everywhere along this spectrum, as attention declines, catastrophic risk goes up. Self driving is vapor ware at best, a scandal at worst. It's not going to end well.

Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by lolc on Monday January 03, 2022 @07:22AM (#29780033)
Funny how the discussion of a serious system failure in aviation leads to a comment about how "it's just shitty" in a car.
Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by onethought on Monday January 03, 2022 @08:23AM (#29780518)
Given one happens at ~50km/h at 0 altitude vs ~400km/h at 30,000ft... makes sense.

Just like bumping into someone while walking is way less serious than bumping into another car while driving.

Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by PKop on Monday January 03, 2022 @11:28AM (#29782451)
You just keep adding nonsense to the discussion. Is self driving going to be limited to 50km/h? No it's not, so what are you talking about?

Is crashing your car at 50km/h not potentially deadly or dangerous? Of course it is. So, what are you talking about?

When planes typically fly in the air, how many other planes are nearby? 0

When cars drive on the road, how many other cars or pedestrians are nearby? Often many

Just because planes get completely obliterated at the speeds they travel doesn't mean cars going much slower in accidents come out unscathed. This is like elementary school stuff here.

Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by onethought on Monday January 03, 2022 @03:52PM (#29786705)
Apologises for triggering you here. I’m not meaning to troll, or add nonsense.

I agree that there is a lot more going on with cars, as traffic and road conditions vary more than air traffic and sky conditions.

But my response is the failures aren’t that bad in the car world. Autopilot (ie lane keep and cruise control) have been probably safer than human drivers. Navigate on autopilot is very stable, but limited to highway… that’s why I referred to the lower speed, because high speed is closer to solved. The hard part of full self driving, is city streets, which is typically lower speeds. The failure mode of FSD is typically for it to just stop… I have never seen a single failure where it full speeds into another object. This did seem to happen sometimes in autopilot in the past, but not FSD

Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by lolc on Monday January 03, 2022 @07:54PM (#29789537)
> I have never seen a single failure where it full speeds into another object.

What do you make of this near-miss posted recently? Allegedly, FSD was on when the car veered into the lane of an oncoming car.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/re7vxr/fsd...

Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by onethought on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:25AM (#29794411)
Agree that isn’t good. And definitely looked like it would collide. I guess if you agree to sign up to train the NN you need to accept the fact it’s going to do this stuff.

As an aside, it seems strange to me that the high beams switch Off as they approach the oncoming car. Seems the driver disabled them… auto disabled would have meant they detected the car, which then seems unlikely they’d move into it’s path. But very hard to judge off camera alone… they might not even be on FSD. Shrug.

Re:Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident af... by dncornholio on Tuesday January 11, 2022 @08:02AM (#29890983)
Where do I sign up for not wanting oncoming Tesla's to take my lane? Where do the pedestrians sign up for not having a Tesla drive over their feet?