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Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by midrus on Friday December 31, 2021 @04:29AM (#29746332)
Well, if you're very opinionated regarding your setup, trying to force macOS into your ways won't work, macOS is great and very easy to use and gives you zero problems but you have to adapt to it. I've also moved after many years of linux and I could not be happier. I like easy and I like to focus on getting my actual work done, I got tired of spending weeks personalizing stuff, dealing with drivers issues, tuning the trackpad, adjusting applications to work with different dpi screens, etc, etc. For me it was a never ending war and a lot of time wasted.
Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by hughrr on Friday December 31, 2021 @04:47AM (#29746418)
Exactly the same story here.

It’s pretty bad when you show everyone enthusiastically that when you open your MacBook it wakes up immediately and actually works. They think you’re insane rather than a former Linux user who has programmed irrational fear that the AMD mobile GPU drivers are going to cause a panic.

Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by fearface on Friday December 31, 2021 @05:02AM (#29746479)
Same story here, and little anecdote: In a pure mac shop we had a guy apply and he brought his Linux notebook and 5mins into the interview he started hating on hiw bad macos is. Before he had to show some of his work in his linux notebook we had a little coffebreak, after we came back somehow LUKS crashed he wasn’t able to boot the system or restore the disk. We gave him a USB Stick and 3hrs to solve it or admit that he was wrong about bashing macos.
Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by knolan on Friday December 31, 2021 @05:28AM (#29746636)
Similar experience when applying for a job at a major UK university back in 2009. My Dell laptop with Ubuntu crashed when trying to present my slides. There was an old iMac at the back of the room taunting me.

I ended up working there through a different route and bought a 2010 13” MBP that served me perfectly for four years before I sold it for an impressive amount of cash to buy a 2014 15” which was also flawless.

Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by BadOakOx on Friday December 31, 2021 @07:57AM (#29747602)
But is it faster? And does it actually work?

I might be unlucky, but I can't count on my two hands how many times did my 2019 MacBook Pro become unresponsive (and occasionally it restarted itself... After being unresponsive for 10 minutes). It's a work laptop and there is some admin software on it (afaik), so that might influence my experience... But after a year of use, I still sometimes feel the need to defenestrate it...

My favorite bit is that after a restart sometimes it gives me a screen where I can't change the keyboard layout.. and I can't type my password because of the special characters I use. So, I just restart again and hope I get a login screen with the keyboard layout change possible. (And yes I have changed the default layout multiple times, but it always switches back to some other default)

Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by how_gauche on Friday December 31, 2021 @08:36AM (#29747882)
I hate my work-provided MacBook SO. MUCH. I begged them to give me a ThinkPad with Linux instead, and it's been a litany of problems in the three months I've been using it. I did all my dev work on MacBooks between 2007-2013, but my experience this year has completely vindicated my decision to ditch the Mac at home and at work back then.

I see people in this thread complaining that Linux distros are unreliable, but my Linux machines don't do things like beachball for 20s at a time or have complete audio system crashes requiring reboot twice a week. (Always right before a videoconference! I missed fifteen minutes of a call last week scrambling to fetch another device because the audio subsystem died and the Mac decided it had to install updates for a half hour when it rebooted.)

It's not uncommon to see uptimes on my ThinkPads measured in months. The Mac? At least it boots fast. I have to restart it once or twice a week.

Reliability aside -- and I realize that everyone values ergonomic factors differently -- Linux is just a better choice in every regard for me and the kind of work that I do. Interactive performance is much better, the docker-based workflows everyone's using are so much faster when they're native, and there's no mismatch between Darwin's BSD userland and the Ubuntu/CentOS you're probably using in prod.

Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by bradknowles on Monday January 03, 2022 @01:54AM (#29778094)
All I can say is that my experience on macOS is completely different from yours. Invasive MDM software from employers not withstanding, I’ve never had major beachball problems that have persisted for days, I’ve never even hated the bad keyboards that much.

I’ve been using Macs since 1984. They’re not perfect, but throughout that time, they have demonstrated over and over again that they are the least horrible hardware/os platform that I have used. Some years are better, but all years have been better on macOS than any other hardware platform I have experience with.

Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by midrus on Friday December 31, 2021 @08:27AM (#29747783)
Either a defective unit or the admin software doing something wrong. I've had many personal and work provided MacBook air/pros and never faced anything of this Actually the biggest issue I've had has been related to the terrible keyboards they used to put in the 2018~2020 models
Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by how_gauche on Friday December 31, 2021 @11:52AM (#29749795)
My partner also works in tech. Between the two of us, and between home and work, we've bought or used probably 25-30 of these over the years. I gave her an M1 air this holiday season! We've had pros, airs, and iMacs in four or five different colors occupying our living spaces for fifteen or twenty years now. We've used them for work and for play, for software development and video editing and graphic design and media consumption.

My verdict is: the hardware is usually GREAT but MacOS isn't. It bothered me when I quit the platform ages ago, and it is still bothering me now: little I care about has changed or improved. New annoyances though!

In aggregate I'd say I've spent ca. 15 hours staring at the beachball. Intrusive admin software has been a problem in the past for sure -- especially at Google -- but I've bought dozens of these for home use as well. Either 90% of their units are defective or we're using our computers very differently.

Terrible keyboards are another thing entirely, Lenovo went through a bout of that with the X1. My gripes about Macs are almost entirely about OSX performance/reliability and command-line habitability: version over version, it almost never improves. For my workflows

Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by FireBeyond on Saturday January 01, 2022 @06:50PM (#29764143)
If you are unable to successfully log in after two boots, you get booted into a password recovery mode that has options including "My keyboard works but I am unable to enter my password", and on the reset options, makes mention of being careful about the characters you choose...

... so a bit more commonplace than "defective unit" or "admin software".

Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by hughrr on Friday December 31, 2021 @08:06AM (#29747640)
You want to try one of the new ARM based ones. The experience is completely different.
Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by iamwpj on Friday December 31, 2021 @10:01AM (#29748594)
Yes, it's like being mad that your salmon doesn't taste like tuna, even though you clearly chose it at the market.
Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by amelius on Friday December 31, 2021 @07:54AM (#29747573)
> Well, if you're very opinionated regarding your setup, trying to force macOS into your ways won't work

Huh, they said they really tried to like macOS for an entire year ...

Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by midrus on Friday December 31, 2021 @08:33AM (#29747857)
How is it "trying to like it" when you try to replace everything and re arrange the entire OS to your liking?

I think they just tried to convert it to Linux for 1 year and that didn't work, which as I said, that's expected, it might not be the OS for you and that's fine. We're lucky we have options, and we are all not the same.

As I said in the comments, macos is for people that can accept the trade offs, that can adapt to a more rigid and propietary system in exchange for something that just works and allows you to focus on your actual work, and not on tuning your computer as if it was a hobbies sports car.

Again, nothing wrong with that, I've been like that in the past. Now I just prefer things that just work and I don't have to waste my time maintaining. We are all not the same, thanks God.

Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by lambic on Friday December 31, 2021 @09:07AM (#29748153)
I've been using a linux laptop for years. It just works and allows me to focus on my actual work without rigid proprietary systems getting in the way. I can't remember the last time I had to spend time "tuning" my computer.
Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by midrus on Friday December 31, 2021 @09:12AM (#29748199)
Good for you then. As I said it depends a lot how we work, what kind of work we do, and what we prefer. Enjoy it.
Re:macOS Setup after 15 Years of Linux by tored on Friday December 31, 2021 @09:07AM (#29748151)
> for something that just works

No, it doesn’t, perhaps works better than the alternatives most of time, but definitely not all the time.