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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by gnicholas on Thursday December 30, 2021 @03:59PM (#29741356)
> For Model S vehicles, latch problems may lead a front trunk to open "without warning and obstruct the driver’s visibility, increasing the risk of a crash," Tesla said.

"increasing the risk of a crash" is an optimistic description of what would happen if the frunk opened while driving. Even if the loss of visibility didn't directly cause an accident, the distraction/confusion/anxiety could easily cause a crash indirectly.

I guess this is one instance where you're much better off in FSD mode, since the computer's vision wouldn't be obstructed by the open frunk, nor would it 'freak out' the same way a human driver would. Of course, you'd still have to have the driver take over in order to pull the car over, but at least you could do so when it was safe to do so (assuming you could resist the urge/reflex to mash the brake pedal when the frunk popped open).

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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by javawizard on Thursday December 30, 2021 @05:14PM (#29742142)
At risk of being pedantic, Teslas' front facing cameras are located behind the windshield and would be obstructed by an open trunk just the same as a human driver's vision would be.
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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by gnicholas on Thursday December 30, 2021 @06:06PM (#29742636)
Appreciate the correction! I wondered if this was the case when I wrote my comment, but figured the cameras were in the front grille. I guess putting the cameras higher up gives better perspective and reduces the chance of splashed mud/water that would obscure their view.
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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by amelius on Thursday December 30, 2021 @05:51PM (#29742518)
Yes, but it can be expected that Tesla thoroughly tested the cornercase of sudden loss of vision of the cameras.
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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by mindslight on Thursday December 30, 2021 @06:22PM (#29742794)
Yeah - sound a warning, shake the steering wheel, and delete any record that self driving mode was engaged.
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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by rcxdude on Friday December 31, 2021 @02:54AM (#29745912)
Can it? I'm not sure it can be expected Tesla has thoroughly tested anything from their 'FSD' before pushing it out to their testers/customers.
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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by leobg on Friday December 31, 2021 @05:42AM (#29746712)
There’s a YT video of a guy taping over the cams one by one. The car performs still pretty impressively even with most cameras blocked.

(I was pointed to this video because I, too had been skeptical after seeing normal “navigate on autopilot” disable itself due to one camera being blinded by the sun. Apparently, FSD is much better at handling such situations.)

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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by BoorishBears on Friday December 31, 2021 @10:42AM (#29749014)
Pretty sure I've seen that video and it totally oversold itself. Other drivers tried the same:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=92&v=yKgBakJc8ZY&f...

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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by leobg on Saturday January 01, 2022 @04:12AM (#29756858)
Nope, I meant this one (FSD/HW 3): https://youtu.be/77cbSy-rBEQ
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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by BoorishBears on Sunday January 02, 2022 @11:30AM (#29770099)
This is way more realistic than the original video, but yeah once the main sensor is blocked it starts driving erratically (even more so than usual)

Not sure if that's exactly unexpected...

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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by vardump on Friday December 31, 2021 @11:16AM (#29749398)
That's AP 2 hardware and computer... Not sure what it proves about AP HW 3 at all, or even AP 2.5.
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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by BoorishBears on Friday December 31, 2021 @12:17PM (#29750077)
Right, I forgot that Tesla threw out every single line of code, every single model, and crushed all AP2 cars when AP 2.5 came around. Same again for AP 3.

(Those of us who live in reality like to use the concept of inference)

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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by iab on Thursday December 30, 2021 @04:09PM (#29741458)
"The wheels falling off might have a small detrimental impact on the drivability of the vehicle"
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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by thrtythreeforty on Friday December 31, 2021 @11:23AM (#29749474)
"The wheels falling off does not impact the vehicle's drivability, because if the wheels fall off it is no longer a vehicle"
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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by awestley on Thursday December 30, 2021 @05:40PM (#29742385)
I've seen what an unlatched hood can do at highway speeds. It will rip the hood right off the dampers and smash the windshield. FSD won't help you.
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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by SilasX on Thursday December 30, 2021 @07:49PM (#29743545)
Heh, reminds me of front-facing “suicide doors” on cars that were so named (in part) because the air at highway speeds pushes said doors further open when cracked (or even before).

I guess these Teslas have “suicide frunks”!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_door#Disadvantages

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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by loonster on Friday December 31, 2021 @08:13AM (#29747678)
Was that a A fully unlatched hood or one that is caught by the manual safety latch?
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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by thrashh on Friday December 31, 2021 @11:40AM (#29749665)
I’ve seen many cars accidentally driven with the hood open but caught by the safety latch at highway speeds.

I imagine either regulations and/or good engineering makes it safe to drive with an open but latched hood considering that you can pop the hood while driving by accident.

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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by throwaway0a5e on Thursday December 30, 2021 @05:45PM (#29742454)
Hood will almost certainly stay on, which is arguably less convenient.
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Re:Tesla recalls almost half a million electric cars over sa... by jaclaz on Friday December 31, 2021 @07:23AM (#29747403)
Hmmm, but possibly better for the cars following ... a hood detached from a car at highway speed is the closest thing I can imagine to a UFO Robot Grandizer Single Harken (for those that were kids in the '70's):

https://mazingerzgreatkaiser.fandom.com/wiki/Grendizer#Weapo...

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