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Re:Crowded dorms,no flush toilets and food crawling with wor... by mhoad on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:01PM (#29740062)
In such high numbers that you need dedicated anti suicide infrastructure?

This very clearly isn’t some kind of regular workplace with otherwise reasonable conditions.

What has been repeated described there over many years and many accounts is by every reasonable definition a human rights and moral nightmare.

Just waving this away as the “normal” course of business seems gross

Re:Crowded dorms,no flush toilets and food crawling with wor... by sokoloff on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:38PM (#29740514)
It looks like the average rate is 97 per million per year in China. Foxconn employs around 350K in China (other posters are claiming 1M, but I took the most conservative figure I found).

With 350K employees, you’d expect about 34 suicides per year if their rate was at the national average. At 3 a month, yeah, I’d put up nets as well.

While I’m sure the reporting doesn’t tag every worker who happens to commit suicide as a Foxconn suicide, I don’t see evidence that the Foxconn suicide rate is higher than the national average and sibling comments and Wikipedia (sourcing ABC News and the Economist) are claiming it’s lower.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_China#Statistics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides#Analysis

Re:Crowded dorms,no flush toilets and food crawling with wor... by FredPret on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:09PM (#29740168)
My city has dedicated anti suicide infrastructure and it’s one of the happiest places on Earth. It means nothing.

The nightmares you describe might very well be a big improvement over normal life in that country.

Blaming Apple for a statistically average rate of suicide is madness; they make phones, they aren’t all-powerful

Re:Crowded dorms,no flush toilets and food crawling with wor... by mhoad on Thursday December 30, 2021 @03:40PM (#29741176)
We are blaming Apple for having a supply chain that meets no reasonable definitions of ok or appropriate.

They promised us they would fix it and they didn’t. It appears they didn’t even try because all of the conditions outlined in this article would have become very obvious if they managed to do the absolute bare minimum of analysis by say visiting these locations.

The accusation here is that Apple lied and they knew about this and that’s not ok.

Re:Crowded dorms,no flush toilets and food crawling with wor... by wrboyce on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:28PM (#29740417)
> In such high numbers that you need dedicated anti suicide infrastructure?

Let’s be honest here, it’s a bit of net. “Dedicated anti suicide infrastructure” Jesus Christ pull the other one.

I’m curious how many people would have to commit suicide before you’d splash out on some nets? I think one would do it for me…

Re:Crowded dorms,no flush toilets and food crawling with wor... by gruez on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:14PM (#29740217)
> In such high numbers that you need dedicated anti suicide infrastructure?

>This very clearly isn’t some kind of regular workplace with otherwise reasonable conditions.

Or maybe "suicide + apple factory" gets clicks/comments (like this article/thread), leading apple to install preventative measures to make it look like they're doing something. I seriously would still like to see statistics before jumping to conclusions either way.

Re:Crowded dorms,no flush toilets and food crawling with wor... by mhoad on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:33PM (#29740458)
We are literally in a comment section of a set of very specific reports detailing the exact problems in the conditions. This is not some hypothetical where we need to “wait for the statistics to compare how many standard deviations about the median these workers are”.

There is very clearly a big problem here. That isn’t click bait.

Re:Crowded dorms,no flush toilets and food crawling with wor... by MonkeyClub on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:45PM (#29740617)
> I seriously would still like to see statistics before jumping to conclusions either way.

I see what you did there :)