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Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by lisper on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @07:00PM (#29731744)
Private pilot here. A lot of people have remarked on the lack of a mayday call. It's not clear whether that plane had a radio. Many aircraft of that type don't.

That said, I see a lot of smoking guns:

1. He doesn't do any of the normal engine-out procedures. In particular, he does not turn the plane. He makes no attempt to try to find a safe landing site, which was pretty clearly available on the dry river bed. The plane he was flying is specifically designed to land in places like that. Even if he wasn't able to land, turning around would have placed him closer to civilization before he bailed out, but he clearly didn't even try.

2. His reaction when the engine quits is very heavy on profanities and lamenting the direness of the situation, and completely devoid of troubleshooting or planning the best course of action. Both of his hands can be seen on the yoke, so he's not trimming for best glide, checking the mags, checking the fuel selector. At best he is a completely incompetent pilot.

3. He is an accomplished skydiver flying a controllable skydiving chute (not an emergency chute). He could have put that chute down wherever he chose, but instead of landing on clear flat terrain (in the riverbed) he chose to land in the brush on the mountainside. That was either the most incredibly stupid decision anyone has ever made in an emergency situation, or part of a deliberate plan. I don't see any other possibilities.

4. The fact that he's able to get a shot of the plane flying below him also looks mighty hinky. He spent a lot of time in free-fall. For the plane to end up underneath him like that would be an incredible coincidence. Indeed, being able to hike to the crash site is mighty suspicious, even leaving aside the highly questionable decision-making required to even attempt it.

[UPDATE]

Also this video [1] where he spends a day at an airport trying to scam a free flight off someone by presenting himself as someone who has never had the opportunity to fly despite the fact that he is himself a pilot. This indicates that it is very much in character for him to try to deceive people for the sake of YT views.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWoEv0t5xGc

Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by k3lsi3r on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @07:14PM (#29731873)
> 3. He is an accomplished skydiver flying a controllable skydiving chute (not an emergency chute). He could have put that chute down wherever he chose, but instead of landing on clear flat terrain (in the riverbed) he chose to land in the brush on the mountainside. That was either the most incredibly stupid decision anyone has ever made in an emergency situation, or part of a deliberate plan. I don't see any other possibilities.

Yeah, this one seemed really silly. There is even a large open field at 5:36 pretty close to where he chose to "crash" land. Maybe not completely level, but as you said, many other options.

Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by aspaceman on Thursday December 30, 2021 @01:50AM (#29734336)
Could anyone who is a pilot comment on what you're _supposed_ to do if your engine completely goes out? From what I've read so far the answer is "keep trying to get the engine back".

Do you just try and glide it out and land? That's what I would imagine. What even would be the situation where you would bail?

Bailing sounds like more of a military thing to me. _Or_ a fire?

Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by repiret on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:56AM (#29734672)
Fly. Find. Fix.

1. Fly: Trim the airplane for best glide speed (that is the speed that will let you travel the farthest before hitting the ground), which is a value you should have memorized. And don't forget to keep minding the stick and rudder - any unnecessary turns or aileron/rudder miscoordination costs you energy, and that means less time and less distance.

2. Find: Find the best place to put down the plane, and start maneuvering there. A road. A field. A river bed. Or even an airport; at cruising altitude there's one in gliding distance more often than you might think.

3. Fix: Try to get the engine running again. The engine can fail in a way the pilot is hopeless to get it running again, but more often by adjusting the throttle or mixture you'll be able to get it started again (it might have even been mismanagement of those things that caused it to fail - I accidentally turned the fuel off once).

Note that "call mayday" isn't even on that list. Its not like ATC is going to run out and catch you. While on a cross country VFR flight, you ought to have the radio tuned to a center controller, and have flight following so they know which blip on the radar is you. And if you don't do that, you ought to have the radio tuned to guard (the emergency frequency). And then when the "fix" step isn't working out, I would make a quick "MAYDAY MAYDAY MADAY, Center, $CALLSIGN, has an engine out, one on board, forced landing in a river bed to my east." But many people don't do any of those things. And for most of the airspace out there, you're not even required to have a radio, and planes of that vintage often don't.

And while lots of that video is fishy, I'm not reading much into his lack of communication. If I happened to be an experienced skydiver wearing a parachute, and my radio wasn't already tuned to a frequency where someone would be listening, in a panic I might skip talking to anybody in favor of getting out of the airplane while I still had enough altitude to safely deploy the chute.

Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by FabHK on Thursday December 30, 2021 @07:55AM (#29736319)
> Fly. Find. Fix.

Also known as A, B, C (Airspeed, Best landing field, Checks).

Can add D, E (Declare emergency, prepare Exit).

Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by sundvor on Thursday December 30, 2021 @02:51AM (#29734640)
I'm not a pilot, just someone who's been doing flight sims on and off for decades:

Here's a good take on what he could have done - gliding back to those fields clearly visible in the rear right quarter at the time of the "failure".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VXaLiB70glE&feature=youtu.be

Author (not myself) also shows a simulated landing on the riverbeds below - heck, the 1940 Taylorcraft nearly landed there by itself! AFAIK the plane was designed to land off road, with a stall speed barely over 61km/h - it can land on a proverbial dime.

What a waste of a perfectly good aircraft.

Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by ewoodrich on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @07:16PM (#29731888)
Could you expand on 4? Are you thinking he deliberately planned the trajectory when he bailed out so he would be able to get footage of the plane beneath him or the footage was manipulated somehow/something else.
Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by dghlsakjg on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @08:13PM (#29732326)
he was in freefall for 20ish seconds while the plane was seemingly flying away from him straight and level at ~70 mph losing altitude at a moderate pace. So at the time he popped his chute he was several thousand feet below a plane that was last seen flying away from him. A parachute has a higher sink rate than that plane as well.

Somehow the plane then ends up losing altitude VERY quickly before leveling off again, and by chance circling back directly underneath the pilot in the process. It could theoretically happen, but also seems ridiculous when you put it in context.

Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by lisper on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @08:12PM (#29732314)
I honestly have no idea, which is why I just characterized it as "mighty hinky". To get that shot for real, the plane would have had to somehow catch up with his free-fall descent and circle around to end up underneath him. For an unmanned aircraft to carry out that maneuver seems extremely improbable to me. Even with a pilot at the controls it would have been challenging to pull off. Catching up with a skydiver in freefall is not easy.
Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by aeternum on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @08:12PM (#29732317)
As a pilot, this is what it looks like. Altitude is gold in an engine out situation, survival is all about trading altitude for time/airspeed. It makes absolutely no sense to spend time in freefall, its akin to putting an engine out plane into a dive on purpose before pulling into a glide.
Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by dawnerd on Thursday December 30, 2021 @12:29AM (#29733952)
I remember this dude being another one of those youtube pranksters so doing a dangerous and stupid act for views seems on brand. The FAA won't go easy on him.
Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by ZanyProgrammer on Thursday December 30, 2021 @09:28AM (#29736939)
He also made a deliberate point of pointing out beforehand that of course he always flies with a parachute. Nope, not suspicious at all.
Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by GekkePrutser on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @09:14PM (#29732735)
Without a radio how would he have gotten clearance at his fields? If there was no radio he'd have to have had at least a portable.

And transponders are also mandatory in any aircraft at least here in Europe. Even gliders or microlights.

But perhaps this works differently in the US I guess.

Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by bloggie on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @09:24PM (#29732795)
There are plenty of airstrips in the US and Canada that are both uncontrolled and have no radio requirement. And, transponders are only required in control zones.
Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by GekkePrutser on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @09:37PM (#29732889)
But even in Lompoc where he took off? That seems to be a pretty big town. I've even heard of it and I've never been to the US :) Also I see lots of military activity in the area (e.g. Vandenberg AFB). I can't imagine it would not be controlled.

Here uncontrolled fields are also common but you'd still call local traffic. And transponders are always mandatory. But aviation is not as commonplace as in the US.

Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by pilot7378535 on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @10:28PM (#29733191)
I regularly fly without any radio.

Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with Lompoc. That looks like class echo airspace in which a radio is not required. Apparently the airport's control tower only operates part time. Still, with nearby population centers, restricted air over military bases, possible gliders and skydivers in the area, even oil wells relatively close, it looks like a particularly foolish place to turn an aircraft into an unguided missile by jumping out of it.

Sources: https://aeronav.faa.gov/visual/12-02-2021/PDFs/Los_Angeles.p... which includes a legend, faster version here: https://skyvector.com/?ll=34.665619444,-120.467502778&chart=....

Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by GekkePrutser on Thursday December 30, 2021 @03:51PM (#29741282)
Ok I'm surprised. I don't think anyone here in Europe flies without a radio. If only just to monitor local traffic. Most of the flying club members even carried backup portables. I didn't proceed to my full license so I never did. But I did have lots of ham radios on which I could receive (not transmit) the airband if needed.
Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by gsk22 on Wednesday December 29, 2021 @10:29PM (#29733202)
Yep, Lompoc is uncontrolled: https://www.airnav.com/airport/KLPC

And notifying local traffic (on CTAF) at uncontrolled airports is recommended, but not required.

This is quite common in the US, especially in small towns/rural areas.

Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by soneil on Thursday December 30, 2021 @12:44AM (#29734027)
If he took off in Lompoc, and he doesn't have a radio, wouldn't that indicate the radio isn't mandatory for Lompoc?

Also worth noting that in a life-threatening emergency you have wide, wide discretion when it comes to putting her down. Fields, Roads, Riverbed, pretty much anything that's remotely flat is fair game.

Re:FAA investigating controversial crash video by GekkePrutser on Thursday December 30, 2021 @03:53PM (#29741298)
It never said whether or not he had a radio AFAIK.

We were just philosophising whether he had one or not.