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Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by avar on Sunday December 26, 2021 @07:15PM (#29697674)
Just a personal anecdote from dealings with rental companies, but that doesn't seem to be the only reason for this.

They're also seemingly cost-optimizing by advertising car A, and then hoping to give you an "or similar" car B at less cost to themselves. Sometimes in a way that blatantly doesn't match their own advertising material.

E.g. I've rented something like a VW Passat or other mid-sized-wagon, only to have the car rental try to pass off compact the size of a VW Golf as "similar".

They'll then budge when you point out that the suitcases you've got won't fit in the Golf, and that their own website shows that the VW Passat could fit X amount of large suitcases, but won't fit in the "similar" car.

Then it'll turn out that they do actually have a car that a reasonable person would classify as "similar" to the car you booked right there on the lot. They might even have the exact model you booked to begin with!

I've also experienced "softer" versions of this where the 5-10 advertised cars in a given "similar" category clearly have 1-2 models that stand out as noticeably cheaper. Guess which models I got every time I rented there?

Not something you can/should complain about, since the models all similar to a VW Golf, but cases where it clearly wasn't about inventory management. Instead it's systematic "down-selling" via deceptive advertisement that conveniently omits the proportion of the fleet represented by each "similar" model.

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by NikolaNovak on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:58PM (#29698637)
It's fascinating to me because my experience has always been opposite. I want a small car because I don't like to have a monster in unfamiliar territory. I'm always "upgraded" to something larger and when I indicate no thanK you, turns out they don't have a small car at all.

This included being given a muscle car instead of small SUV (not practical for a kid and pregnant wife:), and a culminated in a chrysler 300 which I drove away about 150km, then drove back 150km because it was just so much Nope Nope Nope as a car. I waited at the counter until somebody drove in with a sane vehicle.

So I tend to believe the notion there's just no actual inventory management and assignment. You get what they have.

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by odiroot on Monday December 27, 2021 @04:00AM (#29700793)
> It's fascinating to me because my experience has always been opposite. I want a small car because I don't like to have a monster in unfamiliar territory. I'm always "upgraded" to something larger and when I indicate no thanK you, turns out they don't have a small car at all.

This exact thing happens to me all the time. One time the company tried to give me a car I have no license to drive (truck category instead of a van).

Other time I actually got upgraded by Enterprise to a nicer car but automatic instead of manual. I struggled to get out of the parking.

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by fnbr on Sunday December 26, 2021 @10:22PM (#29698771)
This is exactly my experience. I booked a small sedan and was given a Jeep Wrangler. I can’t drive it! I’m used to driving a smal hatchback. I’m sure I was a terror on the road to all around me.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by heartbreak on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:56PM (#29699430)
Hertz is renting a lot of Jeep Wranglers this year. Such a weird car to have in a rental fleet.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by unethical_ban on Monday December 27, 2021 @12:41PM (#29704653)
Three years ago I went to CA to visit a friend and I specifically rented a Wrangler because I wanted a "fun" vehicle to drive, and it was a test drive of sorts. 2018+ Wranglers are nice vehicles.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by hellbannedguy on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:01AM (#29699863)
Probally an easy resell when the asset depreciates to sell?
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by jcims on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:53PM (#29699410)
I just rented an 'intermediate car' from Avis in Dallas a few weeks ago. Got a Dodge Challenger R/T. It sounded amazing but was hilariously slow.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by mixmastamyk on Monday December 27, 2021 @12:32AM (#29699656)
Probably playing "vroom… VROOM" through the speakers. Yes, a modern thing.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by rurban on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:28AM (#29700022)
Slow? Got such a thing in Boise for a week and loved it. Could get used to it with US gas prices, not Europe though.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by NikolaNovak on Monday December 27, 2021 @07:57AM (#29702126)
(not the op but I'm the gp)

I suppose slow in relative terms.

I find a lot of rental "muscle cars" are in base trim with unresponsive transmissions (I got a challenger, charger, mustang and thunderbird in rental over the years... Plus the above mentioned chrysler 300 ugh) .

You put gas pedal down, and 1-2 or even 3 seconds later, the 2.5 tons of metal starts doing exciting sounding things. But it doesn't have the feel of a small responsive sport car some associate with "fast". And they tend to be wobblier in corners than some non sporty hatches with differently tuned suspension. This leads to the feel of "slow" even if ostensibly they have a thunderous v8 underneath somewhere :-/

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by jkhdigital on Sunday December 26, 2021 @10:35PM (#29698849)
Same here. Ended up with a Crown Victoria once; got a lot of strange looks as I was probably 1/3 the age of the typical driver of such a vehicle.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by fosk on Sunday December 26, 2021 @10:21PM (#29698765)
What’s wrong with the Chrysler 300?
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by dghughes on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:18PM (#29699141)
Pimp/drug dealer car was my thought.

"A pimp's love is very different from that of a square"

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by wyldfire on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:19AM (#29699964)
"Two D's for a double dose of this pimpin'"
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by Tempest1981 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @10:37PM (#29698855)
Maybe they meant the Chrysler 200. Or maybe not a Chrysler fan in general.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by xeromal on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:19PM (#29699150)
It's a drug dealer's car?
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by CydeWeys on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:38PM (#29699301)
Huh? But the person renting it isn't a drug dealer? What's the actual problem with the car?
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by xeromal on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:41PM (#29699323)
I'm not sure where you are from but the only people who drive Chrysler 300s are drug dealers or really old people. It's just a strange car to drive.

Logically, there's nothing wrong with a Chrysler 300, but emotionally, everything is wrong with a Chrysler 300.

And we humans happen to be emotional beings. Well...some of us.

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by richardw on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:40AM (#29700070)
You have to be so cross when you produce a car and that’s what happens to your client base. What do you do? Give it a facelift? Test when dealers don’t like it? “No no we want you to tell us which one you like least.”
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by NikolaNovak on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:30AM (#29702335)
In USA and certain degree Canada though "older people" is a huge rich client base. It's not necessarily a miss! Cadillac got re-cooled around second Matrix movie, but for a long time real estate / insurance agents and above-55 was basically their sum total audience (drug dealers aside :)... And it may be getting back there.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by unethical_ban on Monday December 27, 2021 @12:44PM (#29704697)
Several other groups of people drive them, too. The drug dealer thing stems from its perception of being classy in the first place.

For an actually useful comment, the original commenter seems to have left a good response.

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by NikolaNovak on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:11AM (#29702194)
Oh gawd. The list. This was few years back but let me see:

1. It was huge and vast and over 5 meters long, but could not fit me - I am 188cm /6'2 and I had to bend my neck as it was too short in the cabin. With seat at lowest level. It did have a sunroof which I know impacts head space but for such a ridiculously long and non sporty car it was silly to shave few cm of needed head space. It also couldn't adjust seat and steering wheel in right proportion for my height - and while I'm tall I'm well on the easy part of bell curve.

2. I kept wondering if I'm sleepy or if there's a thunderstorm until I realized it had TINTED FRONT windshield. Didn't even think it was legal. It was definitely idiotic - I can't see outside as well as I should and other drivers can't see me as well as I should, especially since all other windows were even more heavily tinted - and this was a stock rental, not what some clueless teenager with disregard for reality did.

3.It had one of those wobbly knobs for gear shift. Ridiculous to operate, you have to look at screen to know which gear you're in. And so easy to dislodge! Yet, taking the same amount of space in the same spot as regular stick, so nothing gained and everything lost. (FWIW, I think there are gear stick alternatives that work, it's not like there's only "one true way" - e.g. Honda's system has supremely distinct look feel and feedback for each gear button and it's on dashboard so saves space; the Chrysler 300 knob is just clueless on all accounts).

4. It had a special spot for cell phone but it was already too small for current cell phones. And next to gear shift so when I went to reach for cell phone to stop it from falling, I changed gear.

I loved seeing the message "you're going too fast to engage reverse". The only thing stopping me from massive car wreck was a line of code written by cheapest bidding developer.

(again, long ago, but I think it had something like push down to get out of parking, but only soft detents for all other gears? It just felt scary and unresponsive and awful design; others must like it since it's there to this day:)

5. I don't remember details but I remember feeling there was complete lack of control. I don't think I could influence which gear it is in (higher trims may have had paddles but not this model). I don't think I could been choose rwd or awd mode. It had some stupid auto /as needed system. etc

6. Gauges area was colourful but I seem to remember the UI being poort. e. G. Huge picture of car but tiny little subtle colouring of wheels to show if it's in rwd or awd mode.

7. Too many things on touch screen as opposed to buttons. I forget details but I think I had to go two menus in to turn seat heater or change fan direction or something.

8. Did I mention it was more than 5 meters long (even though I couldn't fit into it), With horrible visibility? And darn near 4,500 pounds, with inertia and momentum to match. I think 300+ horses but nothing to show for it - you could overtake easily on highway in a straight line once you gave the car enough time & notice that you really actually wanted to do so, but completely unresponsive otherwise. It was a big lumbering beast and just not the car to drive in a new place as a sole occupant.

Overall just felt like an uncontrollable boat with awful milleage poor visibility horrible handling and impractical interior. The guy felt excited about the "upgrade" but after 2 hrs in it I realized I'd be steaming for the rest of the week and drove back to return it. My work colleague has one and adores it - wants to buy even bigger rims and washes it every weekend with love; though it may be an older model before the UI issues, to each their own - was not my cup of tea :)

Edit /Ps : fwiw and for calibration, car I ended up enjoying the most, unexpectedly, for business trip rental was... Chevy trax. Ridiculous underpowered stubby thing I'd never purchase, but it had superb visibility, short wheelbase, easy to get in and out of, intuitive control, predictable handling, good on milleage, easy to fit luggage in, easy to park. It was Great car for new places (note all of this was pre covid; WFH since)

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by carlmr on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:56PM (#29698626)
I often rent a car when traveling alone. Ialmost always get an upgrade because I book the cheapest vehicle available.

They almost always try to upsell the better model before, like do you want automatic, no, do you want a bigger car, no, do you want navigation, no.

And then you get the big car with nav and automatic transmission.

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by mauvehaus on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:26PM (#29699199)
The dead giveaway that you aren't in the US is that an automatic is an option. In the US, it is (to my knowledge) literally impossible to rent a vehicle with a manual transmission from a mainstream rental outfit.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by smsm42 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:36PM (#29699288)
In Europe sometimes it's the reverse. I had to literally drive to another country once (fortunately, in Europe it's much less of a big deal than in the US) to be able to rent a car with automatic. I can drive a manual, in theory, but with me decades out of practice and my family on board, I'd rather not...
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by carlmr on Monday December 27, 2021 @10:14AM (#29703095)
You're right, this is in Europe where it's usually the opposite, automatic is rare except in premium cars.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by chrismcb on Monday December 27, 2021 @02:36AM (#29700357)
Considering it if almost impossible to purchase a manual in America...
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by cowmoo728 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:10PM (#29699082)
I had a situation where I found a fantastic deal on the company's own site for a Volvo XC-90, which I booked. When I got to the location they told me they have never had or seen any Volvo model. They offered me a Cadillac XT4, a worse and smaller car, at a significantly higher price than the deal I had booked. Again, booked on their own website. It was egregious enough that it felt like it should be illegal.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by listenallyall on Monday December 27, 2021 @12:37AM (#29699697)
> at a significantly higher price

you didn't have a screenshot, printout, or email with the reserved price clearly indicated? (on second thought, car rentals, especially at airports, generally have a huge markup due to airport facility fees, service fees, and local taxes -- but even that should have been clearly displayed on the confirmation you received at the time you made the reservation).

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by 1123581321 on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:35AM (#29700050)
I'm guessing he didn't reserve it and just showed up as a walk-in. I could see someone new to renting cars doing that, but it's a good way to pay a premium for urgency and suffer luck of the draw. Anyone experienced should know better as online reservations lock in the price, often at a discount, and guarantee the vehicle size or larger without paying more for the larger vehicle.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by listenallyall on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:45AM (#29700095)
> I'm guessing he didn't reserve it

perhaps, although he said "booked" 3 times.

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by 1123581321 on Monday December 27, 2021 @01:58AM (#29700163)
True. Must have been a hole-in-the-wall local place if he actually booked it. I don't know why he wouldn't have pulled out the confirmation at the counter, either.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by cowmoo728 on Monday December 27, 2021 @05:49PM (#29707861)
I did have a confirmation email that listed the price and the car, the person behind the counter and the manager said they couldn't honor that deal because the car didn't exist and I had paid the rate for a lower tier of car. If I wanted a car that could fit 4 adults and luggage I had to pay the difference. It was Sixt in downtown Manhattan.

Searching for "Sixt bait and switch" returns a fair number of stories and reviews that are similar to my experience.

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by smsm42 on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:33PM (#29699266)
It might be, but what you're gonna do, sue them from behind the counter? You probably don't even have independent (i.e. not relying on their website) proof that's what the site said... But even if you do, how many people would bother? Eventually, somebody would launch a class action, but by then clever marketing person who launched that promo would already be promoted.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by pkulak on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:34PM (#29698462)
Yup, this happened to me all the time. My family of four will always rent the minivan, which will inevitably be swapped for some SUV. All you have to say is that you don't want the SUV, you want a minivan, but it's annoying to have to go through the charade every time.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by bbarnett on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:26AM (#29702301)
Typically this is called a "upgrade", eg, "We upgraded you for free!"

Gee, thanks.

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by closeparen on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:39PM (#29698508)
Since the Golf is a hatchback and the Passat is a sedan, it is very surprising that the Passat would have more cargo capacity. Car and Driver currently shows 17.4 cubic feet for the Golf and 15.9 for the Passat, although perhaps they were inverted in a different model year.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by NikolaNovak on Sunday December 26, 2021 @10:04PM (#29698665)
Passat is a far far larger sedan than golf is a hatchback. Any magazine indicating golf has more capacity is doing deceitful apples and oranges - I assume golf with rear seats down (a two seater) vs Passat as full five seater.

Jetta is the sedan version of golf (roughly) and as a five seater it is full 50cm longer than golf. Passat is another 25 cm. It's just more car than golf.

(mind you, I'd always get a golf over Passat but that's precisely because I want a small car and don't need a cargo carrying boat :)

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by closeparen on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:17PM (#29699134)
It's 17.4 cubic feet with rear seats up, 53.7 with rear seats down. The Golf is surprisingly roomy! I moved across the country in one (granted, before I owned any furniture, but with several suitcases and large plastic tubs full of stuff...)

https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf/specs

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by NikolaNovak on Monday December 27, 2021 @07:52AM (#29702088)
That's astonishing to me! My sister has golf and her husband a Jetta. I love the golf but Jetta is, as designed, a bigger car. There are definitely loads that will fit golf and not Jetta due to different trunk entry ways, but I'm still surprised to hear that in terms of sheer volume, golf wins with seats up :O
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by bbarnett on Monday December 27, 2021 @08:28AM (#29702322)
Perhaps due to the storage space not stopping at the trunk lid level, but continuing vertically upwards?
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by NikolaNovak on Monday December 27, 2021 @09:11AM (#29702620)
Oh absolutely; it just always felt like what Passat gained horizontally offset what it lost vertically. Again, not that I'd go for a sedan over hatchback personally... and if it can't even make up the lost cargo space, the point of long sedans is even more lost on me.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by jen20 on Tuesday December 28, 2021 @12:41PM (#29715983)
A problem with renting any non-sedan car in the US is that the rental companies tend to remove the back shelf, leaving the contents of the trunk exposed. This means you can’t realistically stop anywhere and leave even small luggage hidden in the car. For this reason, I tend to refuse SUVs and hatchbacks, and insist on a sedan.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by avar on Sunday December 26, 2021 @10:30PM (#29698817)
I was referring to the wagon version of the VW passat. It has around 35 ft^2 of cargo space: https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/volkswagen/passat-wagon/...
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by closeparen on Sunday December 26, 2021 @11:27PM (#29699207)
Aah, makes sense. These days I occasionally see the station wagon A4 and A6 but never the Passat.
Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by dnautics on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:32PM (#29698457)
I had the opposite problem, I always reserve a small four door fuel sedan, and several times they upselled me an SUV or sports car "at no cost". Well I don't like driving big or fast cars and I want good fuel economy since I'm driving 100+ miles. That's a real cost!! No can do.

One time, I took the fast car because TINA and didn't notice how light the pedal was on a downhill section of the freeway and got a speeding ticket. So that "free upsell" cost me $350.

Re:The absurdity of renting a car will no longer be tolerated by davidgay on Sunday December 26, 2021 @09:44PM (#29698538)
> I had the opposite problem, I always reserve a small four door fuel sedan, and several times they upselled me an SUV or sports car "at no cost".

That's clearly another consequence of "You can book any car with any rental company and cancel up until the minute of the rental or just not show up and there's no penalty.": they've run out of the smaller cars and only have one larger one left (e.g., more than X% of the people with smaller car reservations showed up, but less than X% of those with larger cars - and if you think this through, I think you need to bias towards larger cars in your planning to avoid not being able to provide an at-least-requested-size car when the opposite case arises).