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Re:Buy a coal mine, drive a gas guzzler, and other uses of r... by bruce511 on Saturday December 25, 2021 @10:53PM (#29689505)
I could not agree with you more, except for the small problem of range.

I'm not sure batteries will support vehicles being in motion 10 consecutive hours. And in some categories (busses, delivery bikes) it will be as lot more than 10 hours a day.

Maybe a 3 on, 1 off schedule would work (leaving it some time to charge) and that will have some capital implications (more actual vehicles in the fleet)

But I concur with the premise-work on reducing driven-miles not on "what percentage of vehicles" are electric.

Re:Buy a coal mine, drive a gas guzzler, and other uses of r... by danielheath on Saturday December 25, 2021 @11:16PM (#29689611)
For vehicles which are in nearly continuous use, the capital costs are essentially irrelevant next to fuel and maintenance, both of which are far cheaper for EVs. It might take a few years to pay for replacements.
Re:Buy a coal mine, drive a gas guzzler, and other uses of r... by ianai on Saturday December 25, 2021 @11:34PM (#29689719)
Right, electrics can be optimized to a usage. Some buses could have capacitor banks recharged at every stop. That sort of tactic would be nonsense for a daily driver.
Re:Buy a coal mine, drive a gas guzzler, and other uses of r... by pjerem on Sunday December 26, 2021 @01:45AM (#29690314)
There is that in my city. A new bus line able to recharge bus capacitors at some stops. It looked like pretty hard to implement but it’s working interestingly well.
Re:Buy a coal mine, drive a gas guzzler, and other uses of r... by throw0101a on Sunday December 26, 2021 @08:11AM (#29692129)
> I'm not sure batteries will support vehicles being in motion 10 consecutive hours. And in some categories (busses, delivery bikes) it will be as lot more than 10 hours a day.

The Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) is buying 300 all-electric buses:

* https://www.electrive.com/2021/04/27/toronto-to-procure-300-...

They currently have 60 as part of a pilot project, in addition to a whole bunch of hybrids.

It seems to be a case of pay now, or pay later:

> Besides the infrastructure cost of chargers, each electric bus can cost $200,000 to $500,000 more per bus than an average $750,000 diesel bus.

> Case acknowledges that is "significantly" more expensive, but it is offset by fuel savings over time, as electricity costs are cheaper. Because the electric buses have fewer parts than diesel buses, maintenance costs are also about 25 per cent lower and the buses are expected to be more reliable.

* https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/electric-buses-transit-1.582...

Re:Buy a coal mine, drive a gas guzzler, and other uses of r... by cakoose on Sunday December 26, 2021 @01:32AM (#29690258)
City buses seem like a great use case for battery swapping!

Depends a lot on the exact bus system, but thinking loosely about San Francisco: maybe retrofitting ~10 terminals with swap+recharge capabilities means most routes only need 1-2 hours of juice between swaps?