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Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by ummonk on Friday December 24, 2021 @01:11PM (#29676044)
The better omicron is at spreading the more people it will confer natural / hybrid immunity to, reducing the dangers of a future variant.
Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by soperj on Friday December 24, 2021 @01:41PM (#29676403)
Hopefully... the history of diseases before vaccines (polio, measles, smallpox, black plague, etc) doesn't exactly fill me with a lot of hope for it just becoming less deadly naturally, even if there are examples (Spanish flu) where they have.
Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by lotsofpulp on Friday December 24, 2021 @02:27PM (#29676912)
What are the histories of the other coronaviruses? And would those histories be more relevant than histories of non coronaviruses?
Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by nradov on Friday December 24, 2021 @02:34PM (#29676963)
Another coronavirus probably caused a worldwide pandemic starting in 1889. It killed a lot of people, but the survivors gained natural immunity which gave them significant protection against symptomatic reinfections. The same virus HCoV-OC43 is still endemic today. This seems relevant to the current pandemic.

https://sfamjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/175...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7252012/

Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by soperj on Friday December 24, 2021 @03:45PM (#29677572)
'The evidence 1889-1890 outbreak was caused by a coronavirus has been referred to as "weak" and "conjectural" in an analysis of the literature'

Seems this theory has only gained traction in the last 2 years.

Looking into it further, case fatality rate of during the 1889-90 outbreak seemed to be 0.1-0.28, much lower than Covid-19 has been.

Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by nradov on Friday December 24, 2021 @04:07PM (#29677735)
Our data on the 1889-90 pandemic is pretty thin. We don't have any reliable records on deaths in poorer countries so the error bars are quite wide.

A lower infection fatality rate in that previous pandemic is not at all surprising. Back in 1889 elderly people made up a much lower fraction of the population. And there was a lower rate of co-morbid conditions such as obesity, diabetes, and hypertension.

Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by soperj on Friday December 24, 2021 @04:26PM (#29677886)
Sure, there have been a lot of Flu pandemics with lower case fatality rates as well. Prior to this pandemic, they had actually narrowed down the flu subtype:

"the reanalysis of seroarcheological data suggested Influenza A subtype H3 (possibly the H3N8 subtype) as a more likely cause for the 1889–1890 pandemic"

There was no thoughts that it was Coronavirus related before this pandemic.

edit: Interestingly though, the 1889-90 pandemic was thought to have originated in Bukhara, part of the Russian empire at the time, which has been historically a cattle raising area. H3N8 is Equine influenza virus, where as HCoV-OC43 was a Bovine coronavirus.

Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by nawgz on Friday December 24, 2021 @02:44PM (#29677065)
I understand this is a reoccurring theme throughout history that lead to most of the endemic coronaviruses today. Omicron is truly fantastic; for example look at Ontario’s case count vs ICU count. Omicron has completely decoupled those graphs.
Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by maxerickson on Friday December 24, 2021 @02:51PM (#29677115)
It's not really clear whether that is because it is less severe or if it is because there are lots more breakthrough infections.

(but a larger number of mild breakthrough infections is not itself terrible news either as the mildness indicates a population becoming more resilient against the virus)

Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by nawgz on Friday December 24, 2021 @07:46PM (#29679237)
It’s perfectly clear, across the world vaccinated or unvaccinated hospitalizations and severities are reduced. South Africa on one extreme and New South Wales on the other. Ontario a textbook example of a first world society’s expectation vis a vis vaccination, age curves, and severity.
Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by mlcrypto on Friday December 24, 2021 @03:47PM (#29677585)
Common cold has a variety of coronaviruses
Re:Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immu... by bmitc on Friday December 24, 2021 @03:52PM (#29677640)
Do you have sources for that? Because isn’t that exactly what has not happened with all the existing variants?