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Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by einpoklum on Thursday December 23, 2021 @05:13AM (#29660411)
Umm, with respect - it is the US anti-Chinese rhetoric that is changing, rather than Chinese government policy.

There are many repressive aspects to the Chinese regime (and government specifically I suppose); but this is probably less the case today then, say, 30 years ago. Certainly I doubt very much repression has been tightened over the past few years.

If I'm mistaken - please provide references, preferably to non-US-aligned media sources.

*Edit:* Hong-Kong situation notwithstanding.

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by logicchains on Thursday December 23, 2021 @05:46AM (#29660578)
>If I'm mistaken - please provide references, preferably to non-US-aligned media sources.

Here's an official Chinese government source defending the use of labour/"re-education" camps in Xinjiang: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201903/19/WS5c9033f0a3106c65c... . In past the Chinese government didn't send large numbers of people to camps based on their ethnicity.

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by rfoo on Thursday December 23, 2021 @06:29AM (#29660837)
> In past the Chinese government didn't send large numbers of people to camps based on their ethnicity.

Before 2003 the Chinese government just randomly pull people off street and if they can't prove (i.e. by showing an ID card) they live in this city they go to a camp [1], and this happened everywhere.

Heck, even less than 20 years ago.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custody_and_repatriation

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by einpoklum on Thursday December 23, 2021 @06:54AM (#29660975)
The relevant section of that article is Section V.

China has had a system of labor/re-education camps in the past, named laojiao:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/02/ch...

These were supposedly abolished in 2013, but in fact many of them may have been rebranded using other titles, see:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2013/12/china-s-re-ed...

and this is why I was making the point that such policies are not new.

That being said - the article you linked to really sends chills down one's spines, and just reading the Chinese government's self-justification for forced interment of people not convicted nor charged with any crime indeed serves to emphasize the repressive nature of this practice.

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by baybal2 on Thursday December 23, 2021 @07:43AM (#29661285)
> In past the Chinese government didn't send large numbers of people to camps based on their ethnicity.

In past the Chinese government did send large numbers of people to camps based on their ethnicity.

Tibetans - since 1957

Mongols - since its first years

Miao/Yao - 1982

Koreans - Koreans Chinese were routinely rounded up every time NK-China affairs were flaring up since seventies

And Uighurs were in, and out of concentration/extermination camps many times already in the past. In 1949, 1967, 1976, 1991, 1998

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by RyEgswuCsn on Thursday December 23, 2021 @08:13AM (#29661507)
First time learning about these. Any sources?
Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by yumraj on Thursday December 23, 2021 @01:49PM (#29665064)
> In past the Chinese government didn't send large numbers of people to camps based on their ethnicity.

No they just occupied whole of Tibet and converted the whole area into a re-education camp while working to wipe out local culture.

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by cgio on Thursday December 23, 2021 @05:34AM (#29660519)
It has tightened e.g. in HK and significantly so. With these things it’s not a matter of averaging oppression to judge the level. If a specific group of people, geographic area, etc. are being targeted you don’t really judge based on how the rest are doing.
Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by pokepim on Thursday December 23, 2021 @04:38PM (#29666810)
Do you actually believe there is some sort of repression in HK? Black people are more repressed in the US than anyone in HK… I just visited HK on a business trip (had to quarantine) and there were no signs of oppression or any sort of police brutality at all.
Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by mrloop on Thursday December 23, 2021 @06:03AM (#29660672)
The final judgement at https://chinatribunal.com makes somber reading about forced organ harvesting from prisoners in China and its increase in the last 20 years.
Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by trasz on Thursday December 23, 2021 @08:10AM (#29661480)
Funny how people blindly trust a private company with no public mandate just because they called themselves a “Tribunal” and call their press releases “judgements”.
Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by roca on Thursday December 23, 2021 @06:11AM (#29660716)
I have personally spoken with mainland Chinese Christians who report increasing persecution there.
Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by DyslexicAtheist on Thursday December 23, 2021 @07:38AM (#29661247)
> Umm, with respect - it is the US anti-Chinese rhetoric that is changing, rather than Chinese government policy.

100% - but such a sentence also needs to come with a disclaimer explaining that it doesn't mean the CCP regime isn't guilty of killing millions of its own people over the years and that any ideology or technology they export needs to be viewed as such.

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by markdown on Thursday December 23, 2021 @06:06AM (#29660686)
> If I'm mistaken - please provide references

Yesterday: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/22/hong-kong-pi...

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by pjc50 on Thursday December 23, 2021 @08:45AM (#29661724)
> Hong-Kong situation notwithstanding.

They're currently removing the Tianamen commemoration statue.

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by throwaway2037 on Thursday December 23, 2021 @09:48AM (#29662312)
Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by ratww on Thursday December 23, 2021 @06:20AM (#29660782)
Well, OP didn't really complain about government policy or repression, but rather about hostility. Even if there are no repressive aspects (but I agree with other replies that they do exist!), the behaviour would still be problematic in itself.

And it's not just an US thing, btw. Many nations perceive dealing with China as walking on eggshells.

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by KennyBlanken on Thursday December 23, 2021 @05:19AM (#29660438)
The burden is on the person making a claim, not on others to disprove it. Furthermore, "no US aligned media sources" is ad hominem. Objective facts don't become falsehoods because of who is saying them.

Since you've formed the opinion that Chinese government policy hasn't become more repressive, and that opinion is clearly educated, surely you have plenty of links to give us to back up your position.

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by hkt on Thursday December 23, 2021 @05:30AM (#29660505)
Objective facts can become very hard to discern in a highly partisan environment though. That's the problem with how lots of US (and UK, etc) media works: there's obvious partisanship which can make it hard to extract the truth. Everything ends up as "the truth + highly political framing devices". There is no outside to observe from.
Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by Traster on Thursday December 23, 2021 @06:22AM (#29660795)
There’s obvious partisanship in uk and us media, but the difference vs totalitarian states like China, is that the partisanship is in a thousand different directions. So in the US or UK you have access to all agendas and can reason for yourself about what is true. If Fox says something untrue MSNBC will point it out, if the New York Times gets something wrong it’ll be all over OAN. If AOC lies about something you’ll have Lauren Boebert screaming about it. By having a free media it allows you to form the correct view by holding your views and others up to scrutiny.

In comparison, in China if the state media decides to lie for its partisan reasons then there is no where you can go to hear the truth so you never can distinguish the truth and we have a thousand different examples of that happening.

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by RyEgswuCsn on Thursday December 23, 2021 @08:20AM (#29661547)
> If Fox says something untrue MSNBC will point it out, if the New York Times gets something wrong it’ll be all over OAN. If AOC lies about something you’ll have Lauren Boebert screaming about it.

And if all these media outlets say Russia/China/Iraq/Iran is evil at the same time, then it must be true, right?

Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by yorwba on Thursday December 23, 2021 @05:35AM (#29660526)
1990 (still roughly qualifies as 30 years ago, I guess): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baren_Township_conflict
Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by dazsnow on Thursday December 23, 2021 @05:28AM (#29660496)
Listen to the Sinica podcast. It covers China-related topics "without fear nor favor". You'll here politicians and experts talk about the increasing, and often baseless, hostility of Western media over the past 5 years.
Re:Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement by thow-58d4e8b on Thursday December 23, 2021 @09:06AM (#29661898)
To add to that - putting aside the present state of Sino-US relations, our prior beliefs should reflect what academic work on lying in politics tells us (1):

* lying in official diplomatic relationships between countries is rather rare

* within countries, democratic leaders are much more likely to lie to their population than autocrats

* countries with imperial ambitions and long-distance ventures lie more often than others

* within great powers, the depiction of the rival great powers is especially lie-ridden

In other words, for a person living in the US - it's likely that whatever US news sources tell you about China (or Russia) is mostly lies or exaggerations

(1) https://www.oxonianreview.org/wp/international-deceit/