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Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by amznbyebyebye on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @10:10PM (#29645172)
FTA >> The U.S. government is pushing Covid-19 vaccine boosters for 16- and 17-year-olds without supporting clinical data. A large Israeli population study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine earlier this month, found that the risk of Covid death in people under 30 with two vaccine shots was zero.
Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by ouid on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @10:27PM (#29645289)
There are many reasons to get a vaccine other than risk of death. For instance, lessening the severity of symptoms. The vaccines themselves are very safe.
Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by WaitWaitWha on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @11:22PM (#29645574)
> The vaccines themselves are very safe.

Most drug development takes from initial research to FDA approval about 10 years[1]. Even with Priority Review, Breakthrough Therapy, Accelerated Approval, or Fast Track programs, the time is in several years.

I do not believe you have the scientific evidence to make your statement with great assurance.

[1]https://www.hiv.va.gov/patient/clinical-trials/drug-approval...

Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by nojokes on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @12:25AM (#29645879)
Sure, lets wait till highly infectious new disease has infected everyone because we clearly have plenty of data about its long term effects. /s

If you can point out where did they cut short with the vaccine approval, please point it out.

One thing is clear - they did not wait till planned AE period was completed but we do have now even more data about AE than we have for any other vaccine so far.

I think that the opposite is true - the vaccines have not been deployed fast enough around the world and this has allowed new more infectious variants to emerge.

Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by logic_beats_pro on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @01:57AM (#29646301)
>I think that the opposite is true - the vaccines have not been deployed fast enough around the world and this has allowed new more infectious variants to emerge.

Or, the incredibly narrow focus of the mRNA vaccines put enormous evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate.

All too often you hear the misconception that only the unvaccinated can act like a petrie dish for mutations, but this can happen just as easily in anyone vaccinated.

Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by nojokes on Thursday December 23, 2021 @01:21AM (#29659206)
Now how many people where there vaccinated with mRNA vaccines in South-Africa?

I propose that if there would have been more, we would possibly not have this variant. We do not see new variants popping up in highly vaccinated areas.

Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by amznbyebyebye on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @11:37PM (#29645640)
Exactly, there is no study on the long term effects of these vaccines because they are so new.

The good news is we have one in the process in the US with about 300 million people.

Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by CydeWeys on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @11:15PM (#29645541)
Also, protecting those around you. It's very much in a teen's own self interest to not bring COVID home and put their parents (who support them) at risk.
Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by tharkun__ on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @11:26PM (#29645593)
Disclaimer: Double vaxxed here w/ kids in the process.

Too bad that doesn't seem to actually work out that way. People that are vaccinated still get sick enough to spread the virus it seems, especially w/ Omicron, even if they either don't have enough symptoms to notice it might be Covid or don't get sick enough to require hospitalization.

That is not to say vaccination isn't necessarily a good idea but it's not a no brainer either because it only has upsides. Unfortunately it also seems that there's no good way to talk about any of this. If you look and talk about the facts, it seems like the anti-vaxxer will hate you and you will simultaneously be stamped an anti-vaxxer by everyone else. Sad days but I guess that's what social pressures do.

Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by nojokes on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @12:31AM (#29645901)
I know only one vaccine that might have 100% efficacy after 4 shots. It is polio vaccine.

COVID-19 has been so far a scourge - when we get enough people vaccinated in developed countries, another variant appears from developing countries. The vaccine deployments has been just too slow around the world.

My hope is that the developing world has seen now enough of the virus and is mainly immune or will be after Omicron has swept over (being hopefully milder than previous variants).

Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by logic_beats_pro on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @02:10AM (#29646355)
Highly unlikely that your 100% statistic is true. Polio rages on today in Africa because of one reason: the oral polio vaccine.

Wild type polio has actually been eliminated but sixteen African nations are battling outbreaks of what's called "vaccine-derived polio."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/25/9058847...

Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by nojokes on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @07:42PM (#29657381)
Well, this is what CDC claims https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-dur...

Yes, I know about this mutated live vaccine. It for sure looked like a great idea on paper.

Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by yz1ruhzh on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @04:54AM (#29647360)
Double vaccinated coworker caught COVID twice, and the second time he told me it was hell. It's not protecting people around you when there is a breakthrough: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effective...
Re:The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens by logic_beats_pro on Wednesday December 22, 2021 @02:14AM (#29646379)
The vaccine does not prevent transmission. You can still contract, get sick from and pass on covid-19 even being triple vaxxed. Unless you're talking about you having a reduction in symptoms == less probability of spread. That's frequently claimed but lacks proof. If you've found any science on that, please post it. I haven't.