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Re:TinyVG: A challenger to the throne of vector graphics by jlarocco on Monday December 20, 2021 @04:09PM (#29630321)
> We need more SVG animations on the web.

Do we, though?

We've already had animated GIFs, the marquee tag, Java applets, and Flash animation, and they've all died out because 99.9% of the time the animation is obnoxious and terrible. Vector animation would be just as annoying.

Re:TinyVG: A challenger to the throne of vector graphics by hutzlibu on Monday December 20, 2021 @04:26PM (#29630518)
GIFs are horrible in terms of memory.

Java applets died out of technical reasons (and was replaced by flash)

Flash died, because it was proprietary and Adobe did not open it up. (and flash was vector animation btw.)

Otherwise it surely would still be around. And in a way it is, as you can export flash animations to the html canvas element. And some people do that (with quirks)

In other words, a simple, but powerful vector animation tool, is very much needed. The current state is a mess.

And you probably do not like vector animated advertisement, or websites that use animations for the sake of animations. Sure, no one wants that.

But how about games, or interactive graphic to for example show complex data in context to some map? Or animations for didactic purposes? Cartoons?

A animation well done is actually one, you do not notice. (but you would notice, if it was missing)

Re:TinyVG: A challenger to the throne of vector graphics by db65edfc7996 on Monday December 20, 2021 @05:37PM (#29631353)
>Flash died, because it was proprietary and Adobe did not open it up. (and flash was vector animation btw.)

I think the iPhone refusing to support Flash had far more to do than the underlying business practices or IP.

Re:TinyVG: A challenger to the throne of vector graphics by Findecanor on Monday December 20, 2021 @06:59PM (#29632106)
At its end it was not used much for vector animation as it was used as for playing video on the web.

But it had a reputation for being insecure, and for being slow — because it retained the ability to put vector animation on top of videos.

When HTML 5 was adopted with video playback tags (safer, faster, open), that killed it for web video.

Re:TinyVG: A challenger to the throne of vector graphics by hutzlibu on Monday December 20, 2021 @05:48PM (#29631492)
Well, to me that is the same thing, because since it was proprietary, Steve Jobs and Apple could not control it (and maybe improve it and adopt to their standards) - so they rather threw it out. (not that apple had a problem with proprietary tools, justs with proprietary tools not under their control, in a vital position)

If the Flash player would have been open in a way, chromium/webkit is, with many top players working on it - it very likely would still be around and maybe even dominating, as it was way superior in terms of features and more importantly, it was not a mess to work with, like HTML still is.

Re:TinyVG: A challenger to the throne of vector graphics by pcmaffey on Monday December 20, 2021 @04:55PM (#29630832)
For some tasteful svg animation examples, check out my blog articles.

[1] https://www.pcmaffey.com

Re:TinyVG: A challenger to the throne of vector graphics by __m on Monday December 20, 2021 @04:29PM (#29630543)
That’s a bit revisionist history. Flash was pretty popular and animations haven’t gone away.
Re:TinyVG: A challenger to the throne of vector graphics by sigg3 on Monday December 20, 2021 @04:55PM (#29630830)
<marquee>Bring Me Back!!</marquee>
Re:TinyVG: A challenger to the throne of vector graphics by dmitriid on Monday December 20, 2021 @04:40PM (#29630667)
> Do we, though?

We do definitely need better vector graphics, including animations. Because then you can have the same crisp images and animations regardless of your resolution or screen size.

Re:TinyVG: A challenger to the throne of vector graphics by bsder on Monday December 20, 2021 @04:33PM (#29630599)
Flash animation didn't die out--it was assassinated by Steve Jobs.

Flash renderers didn't have to suck. However, there wasn't enough money in it for anyone to care.

Re:TinyVG: A challenger to the throne of vector graphics by jlarocco on Tuesday December 21, 2021 @01:28PM (#29640417)
Okay, and he killed it because it was annoying to users and provided little value.