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Re:I was part of a human subject research study without my c... by tzs on Sunday December 19, 2021 @07:27AM (#29613373)
> In the US even a meritless legal threat will require hiring a lawyer to ensure you are in the clear which requires significant amount of money, in addition to the stress.

So what happens when a site receives a CCPA inquiry from an actual person concerned about privacy instead of a researcher under a fake identity? The site still needs to determine if the law applies to them and if so what they must do to satisfy their obligations, so a real inquiry should be as costly and as stressful as a research inquiry.

Does this suggest that privacy laws such as CCPA (and GDPR) which create obligations for sites to deal directly with users on privacy matters are a bad idea? Should such laws instead require users to go through some state agency as an intermediary which would then only contact the site on behalf of the person if the agency determines that the user's data at the site is covered?

Re:I was part of a human subject research study without my c... by netizen-936824 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @07:33AM (#29613407)
It would have been possible to make the requests without a threat of suit. The thinly veiled threat of suit came from a portion of the email that quoted a specific section and used legal verbiage to get people to respond within a certain time frame (as required by the law) This was taken as a legal threat. The request would have been just as valid without the threat
Re:I was part of a human subject research study without my c... by danaris on Sunday December 19, 2021 @08:26AM (#29613737)
Though due to the nature of the requests, they were not actually subject to that specific section of the law, and thus the demand of a response within 45 days had no genuine legal foundation.
Re:I was part of a human subject research study without my c... by giantg2 on Sunday December 19, 2021 @08:35AM (#29613804)
Which brings us back to the comment about meritless legal action still being costly for those it is used against.
Re:I was part of a human subject research study without my c... by mannykannot on Sunday December 19, 2021 @09:57AM (#29614414)
Is that intended to either justify or excuse the inclusion of that language? If so, I strongly disagree.
Re:I was part of a human subject research study without my c... by dawnbreez on Sunday December 19, 2021 @12:34PM (#29616052)
> So what happens when a site receives a CCPA inquiry from an actual person concerned about privacy instead of a researcher under a fake identity?

They conclude that it's a Princeton research study and throw it in the trash.

This is part of the harm this study has done; because the researchers were not upfront about who they were and what they were doing, they have introduced uncertainty about the CCPA process.

> Should such laws instead require users to go through some state agency as an intermediary which would then only contact the site on behalf of the person if the agency determines that the user's data at the site is covered?

That could be a good idea. It would depend, of course, on that agency being well-staffed and well-trained (both of which are separate from being well-funded, which can help). There's a giant pile of messy problems that can crop up due to negative influences from, say, corporations that want to sell more data.

That said, it would be nice to have an org that can do the minimum legal work necessary to figure out if the claimant has a leg to stand on. That would not only minimize the harm of this sort of ill-advised study, but also make it harder to use threats of legal force to coerce smaller site owners.