>The National Science Foundation and National Institutes of Health do allow professors to be part of foreign talent programs, but require they disclose it.

So the issue is not the country (China) or the fact that he joined a foreign program. The issue is the nondisclosure.

From my first quoted example, the tone implies that the issue is China itself which is where I got that impression.

> From my first quoted example, the tone implies that the issue is China itself which is where I got that impression.

Well, there's an issue there too. The Thousand Talents program has a pattern of paying people to break US laws.

China has surpassed the US economically, it has made it clear it wants to dominate the technology space.

While we are in denial, it is clear even to naive Chinese that they are at war with the US when it comes to technology. The only upper hand that the US has over China is the decades of research expertise in core areas.

It looks like the professor was targeted to transfer this expertise to the Chinese. No different from flying a chief scientist from your competing company to help setup a lab like the original, IP at risk or not is irrelevant.

I think you also miss that the CCP being in control through a terrifying regime of absolute control over a population certainly has its negative impacts. That and their financial system and banking systems have been having some incredibly serious problems which would then be de-stabilizing for the party in control.

I feel like as someone on HN you should know the adage well ... don't believe the hype. I will add, think for yourself in the mix.

What you mentioned may or may not be true, however China is exactly where Germany was before WW2.

Not that we are going to war anytime soon, but we are definitely in a war on economic and technology dominance.

>The only upper hand that the US has over China is the decades of research expertise in core areas.

And the ability to draw and assimilate global talent.

And:

1. Military build up since WWII, including global logistics and bases. For example, the F-15 is 104-0, and no one has come even close to the F-22 (arguably not even the US with the F-35)

2. The best infrastructure (and supporting services) in the world

3. Reserve currency (for now).

It's important not to forget these while on the China hype train.

One of the bigger downsides that the US has is that we are used to a higher standard of living compared to other countries. This was possible by the aftermath of WWII, where everyone else was destroyed. Not so much now, as global infrastructure/development is catching up and we are starting to revert to mean, which means down.

Yep! The potential for a massive demographic crisis has to be worrying for the CCP we well. The current generation will know a higher standard of living and have higher expectations than their parents and if/when growth slows that could be a serious difficulty

A complex system like F22 is one step away from loosing global dominance.

Our technology is accelerating exponentially, I wouldn't be surprised if manned fighters become obsolete in a decade.

Germany produced some of the most sophisticated weapons in a short span during their time because they were focused. While we are busy optimizing clicks and politicizing gender pronouns, China has shutdown all kinds of virtual industry.

I mean we're all at war with the US economically and technologically, no need to be too dramatic.

I'll tell you, from a non-US perspective (Im French) it's extremely important we have a balance so that even if the US becomes irrational and untrustworthy (think an even worse Trump) we dont all start starving and disconnecting the internet lol

I chose to emigrate to China instead of the US exactly for that reason and China chose to open its door much more easily to me also because they understand they have to compete.

China has political flaws we cant deny, but the US, dude, dont get me started on its potential, or even its current ability, to do great damage. And so far the negative american impact on France is much larger than the Chinese one, so it's not always obvious to me we should blindly follow the US in their little showdown.

So you’re the type of Western person I see write pro-China article on scmp.com?

Like this…

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3159492/underst...

If you’re pro-French, why emigrate at all? Theoretically you have value to offer, which is why China wants you in the first place. Thus you’re helping them instead of your homeland, and China is playing for keeps.

> China has surpassed the US economically, it has made it clear it wants to dominate the technology space.

What? Should the stun their growth so that they can show their obedience?

This does not make any sense.

> While we are in denial, it is clear even to naive Chinese that they are at war with the US when it comes to technology. The only upper hand that the US has over China is the decades of research expertise in core areas.

It's quite obvious why they want to have tech on their own, since that's basically what makes a nation first world. That doesn't mean that there's any war going on. Do you think you're at war with the EU, too, due to the Euro and their economic growth?