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Re:California halts Pony.ai's driverless testing permit afte... by taneq on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @01:28AM (#29548846)
Most TACC systems won’t brake for objects going less than vehicle_speed-threshold, due to how radar works. You don’t get relative speeds and distance for a set of objects, you get a spectrum showing how much of what the radar sees is moving at each relative speed.

That’s also why most TACC doesn’t work below 30km/h or so. It can’t tell the difference between the car in front and a stationary object next to the road.

Edit: This is actually an interesting rabbit hole to go down, because on the face of it, it seems like a fairly straightforward system to implement. Then the more you think about how a 'simple' system should handle various scenarios, the more you realise that to actually do it properly, 'just keep a good distance from the car in front' requires most of the perception required for general free-form driving.

Re:California halts Pony.ai's driverless testing permit afte... by mikeyouse on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @10:04AM (#29552276)
This isn't true (on Subaru at least, likely due to their binocular eyesight cameras...) The primary purpose of their suite of driver aides is to prevent accidents, so it's actually really good at that. There's plenty of videos to attest to that but here's an example of a 60kph stop when the system detects a cone:

https://youtu.be/0A4i4-xALVg?t=252

Edit;

I guess you did say braking with TACC is complicated -- but I think that's a bit of an edge case that only applies to Tesla. The Subaru version of TACC is ~fine but it never gives you the impression it will handle 100% of the driving for you, so you'd never leave it to navigate around emergency vehicles by itself. Maybe the solution to rarely dangerous self-driving is to make them only ~75% good so driver's are always aware?

Re:California halts Pony.ai's driverless testing permit afte... by taneq on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @12:59AM (#29562611)
That's pretty cool! Much better than the radar based TACC on the Hilux I rented a couple of weeks ago. I came away from that one with a strong impression that it was inconsistent in a scary way and shouldn't have shipped like that.

Do you have one (or experience driving one)? If so:

- How does it go with phantom braking and various objects on the side of the road?

- Does it distinguish between various on-road things? (eg. does it brake for a dog? a plastic bag? a puff of smoke? an anvil falling off the back of the truck in front?)

- How good's its understanding of lanes (eg. a very slow car that's in another lane but currently directly in front of you due to the road curving)?

- Does it brake for objects outside the lane entering it (cross traffic, lane cut-ins, pedestrians, vegetation moving around in high winds)?