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Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by akyoan on Monday December 13, 2021 @07:26AM (#29538952)
I feel this in my own life, as an European grown up mostly around my mother, sister, and younger female cousins. My father lived abroad for long periods of time.

Women nowadays keep assuming I'm gay due to my mannerisms.

Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by eesmith on Monday December 13, 2021 @08:49AM (#29539538)
https://notalwaysright.com/a-gender-fluid-household/157967/ . Short version: 11 year old living only with women picked up practices about how to wear at towel, what to shave, wearing mascara, etc. that his mother's boyfriend both supports and gently points out they are typically gendered.
Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by dahfizz on Monday December 13, 2021 @09:12AM (#29539705)
This strikes me as very strange...

How did the mom not realize that her kid was shaving his legs and wearing mascara? I guess it would be one thing if the kid was doing it with intention, but he clearly wasn't. How did she never talk to her son about that?

Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by eesmith on Monday December 13, 2021 @09:54AM (#29540087)
Don't forget bias error. The linked-to site gets contributions from around the world. There's 45 million mothers in the US, so source population of about 100 million mothers. If 0.1% of families have no other male presence that's 100K families. If 0.01% of these mothers don't notice [1], that's still 10 families.

And it's the unusual which make it to sites like these. ("When dog bites man, it's not news. But when man bites dog, now that is news!")

[1] Or it could be the mother didn't know how to bring it up, or thought she was being supportive of her son's choices.

Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by anotherman554 on Monday December 13, 2021 @10:01AM (#29540154)
I feel like if the boy went to school with male students the other boys would make fun of him until he conformed to the standard behavior, or until he decided he didn't care if people made fun of him.
Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by eesmith on Monday December 13, 2021 @10:15AM (#29540283)
... yes. Which is probably why the text says "She laughs and apologizes after [Stepdad] tells her I am lucky I've never showered at school or I'd be a laughing stock" and "I'm SO GLAD he was around before I started high school; I can't imagine that would have been a pleasant experience doing things the way I'd always done them."

Could other 11 year olds spot a boy using mascara, a differing from one with thick eyelashes?

Or tell that someone is shaving his legs when there isn't yet even peach fuzz on his chin?

I couldn't, but I'm pretty oblivious to such things.

Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by whimsicalism on Monday December 13, 2021 @01:02PM (#29542275)
> Could other 11 year olds spot a boy using mascara, a differing from one with thick eyelashes?

I think they would just default to making fun of him for wearing mascara. (source: i have thick eyelashes)

> Or tell that someone is shaving his legs when there isn't yet even peach fuzz on his chin?

definitely not.

> I couldn't, but I'm pretty oblivious to such things.

as am i, but i've learned that many other people are oddly skilled at picking up on these things.

Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by johnisgood on Monday December 13, 2021 @12:10PM (#29541607)
Well, there's a growing trend against bullying. Personally, bullying toughened me up, and it affected me in ways that I am glad for. Of course it could have gone wrong, too.
Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by whimsicalism on Monday December 13, 2021 @01:01PM (#29542257)
eh, i think i am largely glad the whole bullying + male chauvinism thing is slowly dying out.

i think the next step is recognizing that this is a problem that needs to be confronted for both men and women. "toxic masculinity" among men is frequently nowadays talked about and criticized, but i think women are given a bit too much of a pass in holding pretty shitty gendered/trad expectations of men.

Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by nefitty on Monday December 13, 2021 @12:27PM (#29541834)
I couldn't use chapstick in elementary school because of the relentless bullying it inevitably triggered. Not just toward me, but any male that dared to hydrate his lips. That sort of reaction made me super averse toward any sort of preening-type of behavior, lest I be perceived as feminine.

Even now, I'm more comfortable if I look at least a little unkempt, as if I work outside with my hands or something. I consciously know it's dumb, but my wife expresses preferences for that unkemptness in me as well.

Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by selimthegrim on Monday December 13, 2021 @02:29PM (#29543371)
Did any of these kids ever chop wood outside in the winter or hunt?
Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by nefitty on Tuesday December 14, 2021 @12:10AM (#29548473)
No, they either ran home to watch Dragonball Z or Pokemon depending on if they had cable or not.
Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by LNSY on Monday December 13, 2021 @06:40PM (#29546227)
Probably not. American Masculinity is both violently enforced and generates a bunch of whiny cry babies. I mean, just look at Donald Trump.
Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by johnisgood on Wednesday December 15, 2021 @09:58PM (#29574304)
I wonder why this comment is getting down-voted. I am talking about my own experience, and I also acknowledge that it could have gone wrong. What exactly is down-vote worthy here?
Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by eesmith on Thursday December 16, 2021 @05:26AM (#29576867)
"Could have gone wrong" is a mild phrase which doesn't reflect the reasons why there is trend against bullying.

An amputee might find strength and toughness in learning to adapt to being without an arm. That doesn't mean we go around encouraging people to cut off their arms. I suspect most amputees would rather not have to have that experience in the first place.

Quoting "Bullying: A Module for Teachers" at https://www.apa.org/education-career/k12/bullying under "Myths about bullying"

> Many beliefs about school bullying are not supported by current research. These are among the most common myths that even some teachers have been known to endorse: ...

> Being a victim builds character.

> Another misconception is that bullying is a normal part of the childhood and adolescence experience, and that surviving peer harassment builds character. In contrast to this view, research findings clearly show that being bullied increases the vulnerabilities of bullied children. For example, we know that children who are passive and socially withdrawn are at a heightened risk of getting bullied and these children become even more withdrawn after incidents of harassment (Schwartz, Dodge, & Coie, 1993).

How many other people suffered, in being part of the same bullying environment from which you drew your character?

Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by anotherman554 on Friday December 17, 2021 @05:38PM (#29599222)
I can't speak for those who downvoted you, but the implication of your post (whether intentional or not) is someone might be doing someone a favor by bullying them. (You are "glad" that it happened.) I rolled my eyes at the image of a person punching people in the face and then lecturing them on how they did them a favor.
Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by selimthegrim on Monday December 13, 2021 @12:48PM (#29542101)
Gendered in the West maybe. Plenty of men in Pakistan and Afghanistan wear kohl, dye their beard with henna, stroll hand in hand etc.
Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by eesmith on Monday December 13, 2021 @01:04PM (#29542316)
Sure. But this story is clearly labeled "Australia", and Pakistan and Afghanistan have their own gender-based customs. So your point is .... that gender practices are not universal?

I mean, growing up in the US I heard about how French women didn't shave their armpits. As an Italian example, Sophia Loren - https://fineartamerica.com/featured/sophia-loren-on-a-poster... . So it's not like these have been universal Western practices even in my lifetime.

Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by animal_spirits on Monday December 13, 2021 @12:00PM (#29541447)
That was a fun read
Re:Cultures where men and women don’t speak the same languag... by danbolt on Monday December 13, 2021 @05:05PM (#29545288)
This is the best anime I've ever watched.