Re:The business of extracting knowledge from academic public...
by temporaryi3 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:09AM
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I did my phd in experimental physics and I have to say my realisation of this large point, that papers are little more than resume padding to lock in an achievement was a significant contributor towards destroying, and I use destroying seriously here, any faith or trust that peer review or publishing has anything at all to do with the scientific method at all.
Your results replicate, or they don't. Your calculations, equations, and models predict experiment. Or they don't.
Writing papers about it and getting the feedback of "peers" is nothing more than an old fashioned circle jerk for padding resumes, CVs, and persuading other people in that academic hierarchy that you deserve funding. It is a game that is divorced from actually learning, researching, understanding, measuring, and predicting the world.
Re:The business of extracting knowledge from academic public...
by orbifold on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:55AM
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In academia there always is a difference between the way results are advertised and what conclusions are drawn internally. This is more true in some fields than others, I'm most familiar with it ML, Physics. Part of your skill as a researcher is to understand based on omissions, the datasets etc. the quiet part that isn't said out loud. Depending how you sell things you can get a Nature / Science paper with confusing inconsistent terminology, hand rolled C++ implementation, provided you are the first and a another method which might be 1000x times faster will only make it into PRL (yes I'm thinking of two specific papers, but won't say which).
Re:The business of extracting knowledge from academic public...
by cyanydeez on Thursday December 09, 2021 @11:27AM
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There's probably space for a startup that properly archives the technical nature of findings.
Re:The business of extracting knowledge from academic public...
by paufernandez on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:32PM
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+1
Re:The business of extracting knowledge from academic public...
by dsizzle on Thursday December 09, 2021 @02:02PM
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Counterpoint: citations are a valuable currency in science. Arguably one of the best ways to earn citations is to do good work and write clear papers.
Not saying incentives are perfectly aligned -- many citations are superficial ("this topic was studied before"), and papers count for a lot even if they're never cited, etc
There are papers that are well-written and useful, but there are at least as many that are just drivel (I probably contributed to both kinds).
Unfortunately, the prevailing attitude is that outside people will not understand our stuff anyway, so we often make no effort to make papers understandable, or to publish data. (There is a lot of great outreach and science communication, but not so much for students or researchers from other fields who want to follow the technical details.)