Re:Italy fines Amazon record $1.3B for abuse of market domin...
by stingraycharles on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:43AM
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Revenue, yes, but for a webshop with typically low margins, the profit will be much lower.
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Re:Italy fines Amazon record $1.3B for abuse of market domin...
by hetspookjee on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:50AM
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I believe Amazon has quite fat margins as a monopolist? The days of subsidising losses in favor of market share are long gone as the competitions has mostly been crushed.
Re:Italy fines Amazon record $1.3B for abuse of market domin...
by stingraycharles on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:52AM
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“Fat margins” is relative. For Apple, it may mean 50%; for a webshop, it may mean 10%.
My point, however, is that we need to look at their profits, not revenue, to understand the impact of the fine.
Re:Italy fines Amazon record $1.3B for abuse of market domin...
by toyg on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:56AM
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In the worst (for Amazon) scenario, we're looking at 20% of localized revenues over a year. Amazon reported an average 5-7% profit margin in the last few years. Even in the worst case, they will be back in pure profit after just a few years...
For illustration, 5% of 5bn is 250m, so if the fine is 1.1bn, it will take them 4 years to absorb it from localized profits only. Peanuts.
Re:Italy fines Amazon record $1.3B for abuse of market domin...
by carlhjerpe on Thursday December 09, 2021 @05:26AM
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Assuming they're able to play by the rules, they might just not be able to. We've seen Google fined over and over for things. I'm not sure Amazon would be different (I guess they have to to remain profitable or pull out).
Re:Italy fines Amazon record $1.3B for abuse of market domin...
by account42 on Thursday December 09, 2021 @05:53AM
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That Google keeps getting fined only says that the earlier fines were not enough.
They definitely are capable of playing by the rules.
Re:Italy fines Amazon record $1.3B for abuse of market domin...
by kortilla on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:55AM
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No, unless things are different in Europe. In the US they aren’t even close to a monopoly so they have to compete with Walmart, Best Buy, Target, etc.
Re:Italy fines Amazon record $1.3B for abuse of market domin...
by jstummbillig on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:56AM
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Suffice to say that, if the 5-10B rev estimate is indeed true, the margins can not be fat enough to shrug off a 1B fine.
Re:Italy fines Amazon record $1.3B for abuse of market domin...
by toyg on Thursday December 09, 2021 @05:03AM
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On the specific market. But Amazon EU as a whole makes 44bn per year, which at 5% means 2.2bn per year.
The hit is not sustainable if replicated across two or three EU markets, but if limited to Italy it's just a cost of business.
Re:Italy fines Amazon record $1.3B for abuse of market domin...
by jstummbillig on Friday December 10, 2021 @09:58AM
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Business wise, it does seem a little odd to consider Amazon EU as one package, when operating income and costs are as localized and non-homogeneous as they are.