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Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by kelnos on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:39PM (#29490873)
I know this would never happen, but I wish companies would just default to not doing business in China, unless they are able to sell their product, uncompromised. I wouldn't mind legislation to that effect, though I'm sure that would come with a ton of unintended consequences.

If China (and similar repressive regimes) wants these sorts of products with onerous restrictions built in, they should have to build them themselves.

Of course, I do recognize that this is perhaps somewhat hypocritical: the OFAC list in the US comes to mind (which makes it illegal for US entities to do business with entities in certain "bad" countries). I'm reminded of GitHub's fight to allow people from Iran to use GitHub. I get the purpose of sanctions on Iran, but hurting regular Iranian citizens with these sorts of bans does nothing to punish or put pressure on the people who are actually the targets of sanctions.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by seb1204 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:21PM (#29491904)
I support that. At the same time I assume you have written this in a device manufactured in China together with many companies there object we have in our daily lives. Are enough of us willing to abstain from these devices?
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by IntelMiner on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:40PM (#29493553)
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by geodel on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:38PM (#29493880)
Ah, just pointing to a cartoon doesn't make an argument irrefutable.
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by widespace_ on Thursday December 09, 2021 @01:49AM (#29494590)
Ah, the ol' "No ethical consumption under capitalism so I do not need to care about what I consume" argument. Just because injustice is so widespread in the world does not mean that we do not have the responsibility of our own impact upon the world.
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by Talanes on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:58PM (#29491087)
Nothing hypocritical there at all, in both cases you are against a government that is placing itself in the way of normal people and unfiltered access to information/tools.
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by Sebb767 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @07:07PM (#29492299)
> If China (and similar repressive regimes) wants these sorts of products with onerous restrictions built in, they should have to build them themselves.

I'd also like to add that they are, for the most part, already building our products quite literally. Being on the bad side of China might've a farther reach than just missing out on a few customers.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by doctorwho42 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @07:33PM (#29492460)
And apple is one of the few companies that could change that with more US or other non-dictatorship country investment. Apple has 200 billion in cash and other securities... Build some infrastructure, build a lobbying arm to get some of these infrastructure spending gridlocks fixed, build somewhere other than china.

Yeah it's hard, but if they aren't willing to do it, maybe we as a society should enact laws to force their hand? It's not like it's an impossible task.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by pjmlp on Thursday December 09, 2021 @01:45AM (#29494565)
I know this would never happen, but I wish people would just default to not buying products made in China....
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by necovek on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:23AM (#29495395)
Sure it will happen: once their products are not that much less expensive, and it's going to come quickly.

The only worry is if that's also the point where their products will also be more advanced and thus more appealing regardless of the price.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by pjmlp on Thursday December 09, 2021 @07:20AM (#29496534)
Which means people just put money before morals, while bashing Apple at the same time.
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by vmception on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:52PM (#29491019)
When I see state capital or communist societies, I see "single whale that has to purchase at inflated prices"

I'll spin up a British Virgin Islands company or buy another passport first in response to any legislation aimed at preventing business with those whales

Others are already 5 steps ahead of me

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by ShroudedNight on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @08:02PM (#29492614)
Why not simply renounce your citizenship now if you feel you should owe no duty to maintain any kind of national security policy?
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by vmception on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:12PM (#29493748)
Private citizens don’t maintain the US’ national security policy, as this article clearly shows, but you are commenting on a theoretical reality that has lacked consensus or wasnt even on the table during every administration of the same country.

Alternatively, US citizenship doesn't guarantee any beneficiary of national security or evacuation from another place when shit hits the fan.

So before I answer your question, what did you mean specifically?