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Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by mempko on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:51PM (#29490312)
China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems. You now see American business people like Elon Musk promote divestment from the USA in his attack on government deficits.
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by justinator on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:55PM (#29490369)
> China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems

So long as you're not Muslim.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by autosharp on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:04PM (#29490478)
Those camps didn't build themselves.
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by dirtyid on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:02PM (#29490458)
Technically, especially Muslims. The per capita amount spent on securitization, reeducation, labour transfer (jobs programs) for the purpose of sinicizating restive muslims population is massive.
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by Barrin92 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:40PM (#29490885)
that this is an extreme oversimplification of the Xinjiang issue should be obvious given the fact that other Muslim Chinese minorities like the Hui in China enjoy relative religious freedom. (in fact the issue is assimilation into China's ruling class, not religion per se). In fact inter-Muslim wars in China itself have a long history between different Islamic groups. Also of course the (lack of) response from the Muslim world in general to the Uyghur situation should make clear that the situation is somewhat more complicated.
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by justicezyx on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:18PM (#29490655)
What do you mean? China invest heavily in Xinjiang. Xinjiang GDP is 19th on the list https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%8D%8E%E4%BA%BA%...

Per capita GDP is similarly ranked.

And there are 56 minorities groups in China, they were all have specific aid program, like preferential treatment in national college exams.

What's the basis of such a wishwash statement on China and the people? Are you suggesting Chinese people are practicing racial segregation? Or what exactly are you suggesting?

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by idiotsecant on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:25PM (#29490728)
barbed wire and re-education don't count!
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by vineyardmike on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:40PM (#29492060)
> Are you suggesting Chinese people are practicing racial segregation?

Lol. Are concentration camps segregation? Because if so, then yeah that is what most people (outside of china) suggest is happening.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by MangoCoffee on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:34PM (#29490819)
>China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems.

when you say "invested more in their people"? what do you mean?

if we are talking about education. both country offer free education to its people. College education are not compulsory and free in both countries

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by thrdbndndn on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:02PM (#29491134)
College education is dirty cheap in China compared to the US (income adjusted).
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by MangoCoffee on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:22PM (#29491330)
this doesn't support "China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems.".
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by thrdbndndn on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:30PM (#29491405)
I'm not replying to that. I'm replying to your comment.

And you now changed it to "College education are not compulsory and free in both countries" which is even more wrong..

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by MangoCoffee on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:40PM (#29491507)
>I'm not replying to that. I'm replying to your comment

thank for clarify

>And you now changed it to "College education are not compulsory and free in both countries"

i never change my statement to OP and what's wrong? both countries doesn't offer free College education. one is cheaper doesn't mean its free.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by thrdbndndn on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:10PM (#29491780)
Ok, so you mean "College education are not compulsory or free".
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by beauzero on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:59PM (#29491095)
One culture values a broad band of technical education...one values social education. One advances technically and one wrestles with social issues.
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by MangoCoffee on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:21PM (#29491315)
that's culture differences. it doesn't support or shown China invest more in its people.

I'll argue, you don't need a lot of techies. you need people with vision like Steve Jobs, Jack Ma...etc. they don't have tech background and yet created giant tech company.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by kelnos on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:50PM (#29491601)
You need both, and you need a lot more "techies" than visionaries. Otherwise those visionaries just sit around at home with no one competent enough to execute on their vision.
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:41PM (#29492065)
> if we are talking about education. both country offer free education to its people. College education are not compulsory and free in both countries

Education in China is also only compulsory through the 8th grade. Only 60% go on to high school.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by echelon on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @03:54PM (#29490346)
> You now see American business people like Elon Musk promote divestment from the USA in his attack on government deficits.

Source?

If that's true, that's disgusting.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by AnthonyMouse on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:59PM (#29491698)
https://electrek.co/2021/12/07/elon-musk-senate-not-pass-bui...

Context: The bill they're talking about is unusually porcine, to the point of overwhelming even cynics. Relevant example: Subsidies of $12,500 for electric vehicles, but only if they're made by a union. Because auto unions are major campaign donors.

Everybody always talks about "oh the government spends so much money on pork all the time, deficits are so big etc." but this is another level:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYONGDA188S

Federal spending as percent of GDP last year: More than triple the level present during the New Deal. >50% increase year over year.

It's unprecedented in peacetime. The only time it has ever been more as a percent of GDP is WWII, and in dollars (even per capita and adjusted for inflation) it's already more than WWII.

This year's proposals are a significant increase from that level.

The claim that to oppose the bill is to "promote divestment from the USA" is pretty bold.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by mempko on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:36PM (#29492028)
All that money goes into the private sector. Government deficits are an investment. Recent investment is huge and helped millions of people. Without the investment we would be in a depression (not just a recession). Elon Musk is not happy about this kind of investment for some reason. He doesn't want the government to invest so much in it's own people, which is so strange to me.

There are of course criticism in the details. For example, a majority of the funds went to the top 10% which isn't great. How the funds were deployed was far, far from ideal. It lead to asset price inflation because of this. So there are problems with it, but the alternative, not investing, would have been much worse.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by AnthonyMouse on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @07:12PM (#29492328)
> There are of course criticism in the details. For example, a majority of the funds went to the top 10% which isn't great. How the funds were deployed was far, far from ideal. It lead to asset price inflation because of this. So there are problems with it, but the alternative, not investing, would have been much worse.

The criticism of the details is the point. Spending half as much money by cutting out the portion that went to the top 10% is only the most obvious of the better alternatives.

This doesn't mean anything without the details:

> Government deficits are an investment.

The government can borrow a trillion dollars and give it to Mark Zuckerberg or whoever else donates the most to their campaigns. That's not an investment, it's corruption. It represents a net loss to the American people, because they lose the money, have to pay interest on the debt forever, and get nothing in return.

To be an investment you actually have to invest in something. But during an economic crisis, the best thing to invest in is people. If you're going to borrow money, just send out the checks. Everybody gets the same amount. It helps the people who are in trouble, it stimulates demand, and it isn't susceptible to corruption or regulatory capture.

And if you did that, you wouldn't have to borrow as much, because the same money would be more effective and the same benefit could be achieved with less of it.

But that's not what's happening.

Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by echelon on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:02PM (#29491716)
Thank you for the context!
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by hogFeast on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @06:32PM (#29491990)
Wait until you hear where Musk got the money to stop TSLA going bankrupt a couple of years ago (spoiler: it was the Chinese govt).
Re:Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with Chin... by systemvoltage on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:03PM (#29490470)
No, American executives sold middle class souls to mass manufacturing in China, directly leading to Trumpism.