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Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by mikeyouse on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:37AM (#29485186)
There are plenty of reputable journalists closely following the trial including Julie K Brown, the Miami based reporter whose story broke the whole thing open a few years ago leading to these arrests:

https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist

Adam Klasfeld is another one I enjoy:

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by bko on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:25AM (#29485864)
Great. Why did twitter delete this one?
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by Traster on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:39PM (#29488596)
Doesn't it seem a pretty strong indicator that the claim they got censored for reporting on Maxwell is untrue because more popular, more credible people aren't being suspended. If the goal is to supress news about Maxwell it seems pretty clear that suspending some small anonymous account would not acheive that.
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by bko on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:53PM (#29488764)
> more credible people aren't being suspended

yes, but this one was the most popular. If they're looking at suppressing news or attention, they'd want to ban the most popular, not the most credible necessarily.

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by Traster on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @04:14PM (#29490605)
That doesn't seem right to me - they're saying this account had something like 500k followers (which, again, let's assume that's true) you're going to see reporting from WSJ, NYT, WashPo etc. all of whom have millions of follows. Even some basic reporters have way larger followings - for example I don't know who this guy is: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec but he's got 1.5m followers and seems to be very active reporting Maxwell/Epstein details.

500k sounds extremely unlikely to be the largest reporter covering this, and even if it is, it's not that much more than the reputable reports who have 200k+

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by runes on Thursday December 09, 2021 @02:22PM (#29501715)
Posobiec is an independent citizen journalist (who just happens to be a navy intel officer).
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by z3ncyberpunk on Thursday December 09, 2021 @09:24AM (#29497637)
Fallacy of authority
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by slickdork on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:30AM (#29485919)
Wow, twitter is really unusable unless you have an account. Can't read threads or look at pictures now. Anyone have a workaround?
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by JeremyNT on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:18PM (#29488313)
In case you aren't already aware, you can use Nitter [0] as an alternate Twitter frontend (you can install an extension to automatically redirect you there, if you prefer). At various times nitter.net may be rate limited, in which case you can look to a list of instances and pick a different one [1].

Here are some direct links to the accounts the parent mentioned, for example: https://nitter.42l.fr/jkbjournalist and https://nitter.42l.fr/KlasfeldReports

[0] https://nitter.net/about

[1] https://github.com/zedeus/nitter#resources

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by psychlops on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:48AM (#29487059)
My workaround is to come here and read what people write about it. No need to visit Twitter at all.
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by makeworld on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:11PM (#29487386)
Don't allow Twitter to set cookies, that fixes it completely.
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by pessimizer on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:18PM (#29488316)
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by mikeyouse on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:33AM (#29485963)
On mobile, you need to just refresh when you click through to a thread to be able to read it:

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/14686045141691965...

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by jcranmer on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:46AM (#29487030)
Opening links in new tabs seems to work for me. Or using a new private browsing session.
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by lvs on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:24PM (#29487602)
Delete cookies
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by daneel_w on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:38AM (#29486909)
So? It's irrelevant that there are others reporting about it.
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by mikeyouse on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:40AM (#29486933)
If you're interested in the factual details of the case rather than some meta argument about Twitter's bot policy (of which there's not really a point, because we don't know why the account was actually banned aside from artificial manipulation) - I thought it'd be helpful to have a few other sources that are unlikely to be removed.
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by StanislavPetrov on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:52PM (#29491617)
> because we don't know why the account was actually banned aside from artificial manipulation

We don't know why the account was actually banned aside from Twitter's evidence-free assertions.

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by lp0_on_fire on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:24AM (#29485843)
By handwaving this away I take it you're ok with Twitter deciding who is "reputable" and a "journalist"?

There's no evidence this account violated the Twitter TOS.

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by ineedasername on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:30AM (#29485928)
It's possible you're reading too much into that comment. The GP may simply have been providing a PSA about where they have found useful information given that one potential source has been removed.

From HN community guidelines on reading into a comment:

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

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Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by ineedasername on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:45AM (#29486109)
Why? They're saying they have people they believe are reputable. Again, reading into that to assume the commenter intended to say the banned account was sending out bad information violates the community guidelines of "plausible interpretation." Is it plausible that the commenter merely meant "Hey, here's some reputable sources"? Seems possible to me.

If one store goes out of business and I say "Here are two store that I consider reputable for buying the same things", that really doesn't mean I think the original store was not reputable.

The comment does not at all read to me as justification for the ban one way or another. It is a simple statement that there are sources the commenter trusts on the topic, with a referral to them.

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by pixelgeek on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:04AM (#29486391)
Twitter didn't suspend the account for not being reputable. They suspended the account for being part of a network that was artificially promoting tweets and content. You're arguing a point that Twitter never made
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by BitwiseFool on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:08AM (#29486452)
>"being part of a network that was artificially promoting tweets and content."

This is part of the reason why I detest Twitter's leadership. It's the tyranny of selectively enforcing the rules and hiding behind it. If someone tells me the same dozen or so twitter handles that always manage to chime in at the top of just about every trending social topic are authentic, I simply won't believe them. Why aren't these banned?

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by pixelgeek on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:15AM (#29486548)
> It's the tyranny of selectively enforcing the rules and hiding behind it.

Well I can't disagree with that. It is endemic of Google, YouTube, Amazon, Facebook, Apple etc.

When these companies deal with the sheer volume of users they have they hide behind rules that are judged via algorithm and are not able to be evaluated or appealed unless you get enough attention on social media.

It is yet another argument for the elimination of them. If they can't manage themselves then they shouldn't be running.

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by jamal-kumar on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:28AM (#29485902)
Bruh I'm just happy someone linked someone else at all. These are current events, moving targets... Squabbling in the comments like that is more of a destructive distraction than anything
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by lp0_on_fire on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:38AM (#29486031)
Is it not demonstrative of my point that this person immediately hand waves away twitter banning this account then immediately suggests that you use two blue checkmarks instead?
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by nahqz on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:25AM (#29485865)
Ah well, if we have "reputable journalists" on the case then we don't need some lowlife reporting on it.
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by dang on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:59PM (#29488848)
Would you please roll back the new account creation and guidelines breakage?
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by nepthar on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:17PM (#29487480)
Welcome to HN! Please check out the guidelines for posting comments, as I believe this one runs afoul of several of them: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by MrPatan on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:14AM (#29485696)
"reputable", no less.
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by mikeyouse on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:20AM (#29485778)
Well rather than reading anonymous accounts who aggregate what real journalists are reporting from the courtroom while interspersing random conspiracy theories, it seemed useful to just link to the real journalists directly.

An extra benefit is that since the journalists are reputable, their accounts are unlikely to be deleted or suspended.

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by mc32 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:26AM (#29485874)
Fair but it’s an appeal to authority and skirts true Scotsman but… never the less on occasion reputable journalists are leveraged to plant narratives on behalf of interested parties because they are reputable, so there is that. It’s not as though very wealthy people were not ensnared by mr Epstein and would love to keep their involvement low key.
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by mikeyouse on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:31AM (#29485933)
I mean, Julie K. Brown wrote like 30? articles about it, talked to 60+ victims, her reporting lead to Epstein's arrest, Acosta's resignation, Maxwell's trial -- I don't think she's "on the take".

https://www.miamiherald.com/topics/jeffrey-epstein

Is it an appeal to authority to trust a primary source who is literally in the courtroom every day, instead of a random anonymous Twitter account just cribbing from primary sources?

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by mc32 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:40AM (#29486054)
I grant you she’s doing a good job, but that does not grant her a monopoly on fact. If only accredited journalists are allowed to report then we have no Wikileaks, no citizen journalism etc. Twitter is in the wrong to suppress an account on account of “artificially” inflating engagement. First, they don’t have to present evidence and second What news organ doesn’t create artificial engagement? It’s a preposterous excuse.
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by pessimizer on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:20PM (#29488346)
> If only accredited journalists are allowed to report

You are not replying to anyone who has suggested this. Anyway, the government licensing of journalists is at least 5 years off.

Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by fennecfoxen on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @02:09PM (#29488964)
US government licensing of journalists would be quickly struck down as unconstitutional. It’s not a free press if you need permission.
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by SV_BubbleTime on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:24AM (#29485845)
“real journalists”, hmm, there it is again.
Re:Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial by mikeyouse on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:37AM (#29486019)
Real journalists as in they're literally in the courtroom reporting from the trial, and one of them wrote the series of articles that broke the Epstein thing wide open... vs. randos on Twitter just cribbing their reporting while writing "THREAD" at the top.

How is it remotely controversial to prefer primary sources.. As much as it annoys the very online, reporting isn't just writing twitter threads with your opinions, it actually takes fact finding effort.