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Re:Player of Games by arvinsim on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @07:20AM (#29483873)
I started with Consider Phlebas but stopped because it seems too slow for me.

Does it get better in the later chapters?

Re:Player of Games by vermilingua on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @07:31AM (#29483939)
It does, but IMO it's probably worth reading The Player of Games or Use of Weapons before it anyway. With the exception of perhaps Surface Detail, none of the Culture books rely on any others. Consider Phlebas gives a good view of The Culture from "outside" (the perspective of the Idrians) but is quite slow.
Re:Player of Games by DylanSp on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @08:42AM (#29484556)
I mean, Player of Games has a pretty slow start too. I love that book, but the initial pacing is IMO its biggest flaw.

I know Use of Weapons doesn't depend on any of the other books for its plot, but is it a decent intro to the setting? If it is, that's where I'd recommend starting.

Re:Player of Games by hesperiidae on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:42PM (#29487843)
Yeah, it does take its time to build up, but in my opinion that just lays a stronger foundation for the latter half(-ish) of the book.

Use of Weapons is more than a decent intro, but I'd still personally recommend The Player of Games since it isn't as deep and heavy in comparison, and the narrative structure is simpler.

Of course, YMMV, but I started with TPoG, and reading UoW right after it was absolutely fantastic. I guess my biggest concern with recommending UoW as the starter would be that it might diminish TPoG, which I'm fond of, but I don't know if it actually would, since they're connected pretty much only bound by the setting.

Re:Player of Games by avemg on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @05:18PM (#29491277)
I've read (in order) Consider Phlebas, Player of Games, Use of Weapons, and Excession thus far. Use of Weapons was the toughest one for me to get through so far. I started it and stopped it a few times over several years and just couldn't get past the halfway point. I eventually got over the hump with it and devour the last half of the book over a couple of days (which is fast for me). So for my money, Use of Weapons is a bad starting point.

My favorite by far is Excession but I don't know that I'd start there. I think the payoff of getting a story from the perspective of the Minds is better appreciated after you've heard about them and their capabilities from a distance in the preceding books.

My pick would be to start with Player of Games. That's the one that was a page turner for me nearly from the jump.

Re:Player of Games by dgritsko on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:45AM (#29485271)
I started with Consider Phlebas because I wanted to see why people raved about the Culture series. I found it kind of tedious and slow, and although I finished it, I wondered what all the hype was about. I'm thankful that I picked up the second book though (Player of Games) - because I couldn't put it down; it was fantastic. I've stuck with the series since then (Excession was another highlight). I'd would like to revisit Consider Phlebas at some point, I think I might enjoy it more now that I have more context for the story.
Re:Player of Games by gpderetta on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:25AM (#29485045)
I enjoyed Consider Phlebas a lot, but it is very different from the rest of the series.
Re:Player of Games by gman83 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @07:41AM (#29484026)
I couldn't get through the cannibal part of Consider Phlebas, was soo weird.
Re:Player of Games by wiredfool on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @08:26AM (#29484420)
There's one scene or so in each one of his books that's just too much for me. I just don't need to donate brainspace to that sort of thing. (Use of Weapons has one, Song of Stone too.)

I like 80% of his work, 15% is a pointless depressing slog, and the other 5% is just too much for me.

Re:Player of Games by bewaretheirs on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @02:17PM (#29489080)
That confirms my decision to abandon reading the series after I hit a spot like that in Player.
Re:Player of Games by wishinghand on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:11AM (#29484847)
I guess I just took it as another possibility in a society of nearly infinite ones. I did use material from that encounter in running a horror RPG, so in a way I'm kind of thankful for it.
Re:Player of Games by DylanSp on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @08:42AM (#29484566)
Yeah, that was just...out-of-nowhere gruesomeness.
Re:Player of Games by sidibe on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:10AM (#29484830)
Use of Weapons and Consider Phlebas are the worst of the series IMO. I powered through Consider Phloebus just because I knew people loved the series, but there's really no reason to start there
Re:Player of Games by rishav_sharan on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:28AM (#29485074)
Sacrilege! Taste is subjective, but Use of Weapons, imo, is Banks best work. I personally consider it one of the best SciFi, period. It's been years I last read it, but that ending still gives me shivers whenever I think of it
Re:Player of Games by NoGravitas on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:59PM (#29488834)
Use of Weapons is generally considered one of the best, but it has a complex narrative structure that makes it a harder read, and it's probably not a good place to start.
Re:Player of Games by arethuza on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @09:16AM (#29484913)
Personally, I think Use of Weapons is by far the best of the Culture series - although I admit it took a few readings for me to get to that view...
Re:Player of Games by User23 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:32PM (#29487729)
He does a really good job exploring the theme "what is a weapon?"
Re:Player of Games by hesperiidae on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:47PM (#29487916)
Yes! And also, "why is a weapon?", "how is a weapon?" and "what isn't a weapon?"

Really, Culture is a great setting for discussing a lot of interesting philosophical questions and topics.

Re:Player of Games by apetersonBFI on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @07:35AM (#29483981)
Consider Pheblas wasn't the best in my opinion. Player of Games is my favorite, but some of the other later ones are good.

I enjoy the settings and the concept of the Culture more than the plotlines.

Re:Player of Games by hesperiidae on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:49PM (#29487958)
The Player of Games is my favourite exactly for the same reason: it explores the Culture in contrast to the Empire, and even the drama is just an expression of the clash between the two structures.
Re:Player of Games by baq on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:41AM (#29486072)
Consider Phlebas is easily the worst of the series. My top 3 in no particular order are Use of Weapons, Player of Games and Excession.
Re:Player of Games by DylanSp on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:13PM (#29487424)
Curious that you put Consider Phlebas behind Matter (my least favorite, by far). My favorite is probably Look to Windward, closely followed by Player of Games and Use of Weapons.
Re:Player of Games by smiley1437 on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @07:31AM (#29483944)
If you find Consider Phlebas too slow, try Excession before giving up on Banks.
Re:Player of Games by speed_spread on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @10:49AM (#29486180)
Eeh, Excession is very good but a still bit hermetic for an introduction to the Culture. It's the only other book I wouldn't recommend as a first along with Consider Phlebas.