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Re:Amazon packages pile up after AWS outage spawns delivery ... by sneak on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @09:19PM (#29480596)
I thought the guidance was to be multi-AZ, as an AZ is the failure boundary?
Re:Amazon packages pile up after AWS outage spawns delivery ... by dharmab on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @09:23PM (#29480614)
AZs are physically located near each other, usually within a small enough radius that they could be all impacted by the same natural disaster. In some cloud providers and regions, AZs are simply different parts of the same building (IIRC one of the Japan regions of Azure was essentially this, but don't quote me). And evidently, the share some infrastructure.

At a previous job where we needed to always be up, our disaster recovery plan assumed that the us-east-1 site had been hit by a meteor (not literally, but that's how we explained it to each other to put ourselves in the mindset.)

Re:Amazon packages pile up after AWS outage spawns delivery ... by sneak on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @11:57AM (#29487169)
A meteor did not hit us-east-1 yesterday.
Re:Amazon packages pile up after AWS outage spawns delivery ... by dharmab on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:17PM (#29487485)
You misunderstand- our planning was to prepare for a scenario of that extremity.
Re:Amazon packages pile up after AWS outage spawns delivery ... by sitharus on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @10:16PM (#29480906)
AZs are physical boundaries, but the networking and software is interconnected. Regions are (mostly) isolated, though global services like IAM and CloudFront often have their main control plane in us-east-1
Re:Amazon packages pile up after AWS outage spawns delivery ... by treis on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @10:04PM (#29480839)
Software bugs recognize no boundary
Re:Amazon packages pile up after AWS outage spawns delivery ... by picardo on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @10:16PM (#29480910)
Everyone wants to be multi-AZ, multi-cell, but it's a multi-year project, especially for services that have been around for a while. My last team had been working on it for a couple of years when I left.
Re:Amazon packages pile up after AWS outage spawns delivery ... by notatoad on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:48AM (#29481643)
I think it'd be correct to call the AZ a failure boundary, not the failure boundary. the is hardly the first time a failure has exceeded an AZ.
Re:Amazon packages pile up after AWS outage spawns delivery ... by brianpan on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @10:32PM (#29480979)
You can always do better because failures can always be bigger/wider. multi-instance < multi-AZ < multi-region < multiple vendors
Re:Amazon packages pile up after AWS outage spawns delivery ... by ABeeSea on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @09:23PM (#29480613)
Multi-AZ deployment and multi-region failover is considered best practice.
Re:Amazon packages pile up after AWS outage spawns delivery ... by chrisseaton on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @10:48PM (#29481052)
AZs are in one physical location. If that physical location has a problem, all AZs within it will go down.
Re:Amazon packages pile up after AWS outage spawns delivery ... by notatoad on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @12:46AM (#29481626)
>An Availability Zone (AZ) is one or more discrete data centers with redundant power, networking, and connectivity in an AWS Region... AZs are physically separated by a meaningful distance, many kilometers, from any other AZ, although all are within 100 km (60 miles) of each other.

https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/regio...