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Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by jccalhoun on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:16PM (#29477631)
I have long said the problem with paying for news is that it is rarely worth paying for. When I was in grad school there was a program that gave us "free" copies of the NYTimes and USA Today (I'm sure part of our tuition paid for it but all we had to do was swipe our student id to open the newspaper box). I would get them every day and there were rarely more than one story in them that I would actually read.
Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by threatofrain on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:20PM (#29478378)
1. News isn't worth paying for when the race-to-the-bottom has already occurred. How do you persuade people to buy things which are basically free and can be viewed even without ads?

2. For many events, it's not the writing I care about but the information. IMO Google realizes the difference and bets on information over writing, whereas NYT still wants to sell writing. All publications which are trying to stop Google from scraping their information are basically insisting that their copyrightable storytelling is being ruined by Google's information extraction.

3. For general news, I often don't know what I want to know. This is where news aggregation is way better than individual outlets, at least most of the time, with exceptions going to specific domains like food or games. If WION gets the exclusive interview, then WION is where I want to go and everyone else is just re-reporting. News aggregation also allows you to take in a sense of inter-rater reliability on a per-story level. But this is all playing into Google's strengths.

Given this, I don't understand people saying this or that outlet sucks; for example, does Buzzfeed News suck? Just the name alone makes it sound like celebrity news gossip. But then once and awhile Buzzfeed News gets an exclusive interview (such as on Palantir matters), and guess what, I want them to show up on my aggregators.

Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by jdavis703 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:35PM (#29478516)
USA Today is deliberately written at a 10th grade reading level, so it’s doubtful how relevant it is for university students.

But if you found only one relevant article in the NY Times then either you were consuming radio/TV news, or just don’t care about current events.

Which is fine, it just means you weren’t the target audience.

Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by tzs on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:57PM (#29478720)
> USA Today is deliberately written at a 10th grade reading level, so it’s doubtful how relevant it is for university students.

A 10th grade reading level doesn't mean they only cover stories of interest to 10th graders or younger. It just means they they use a 10th grade vocabulary and sentence structure. Most stories in the NYT could be covered at a 10th grade level and still convey most of the important information.

Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by jdavis703 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @06:12PM (#29479363)
Sure, but it would mean articles have to run longer as concepts like mRNA or constitutional law are explained using basic words and simple sentence structures. If I’m college educated, I don’t want to waste time reading explanations.
Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by jart on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @08:08PM (#29480235)
Is there a higher reading level than tenth grade? What's the point in using plain language if you're not going to speak plainly when you can switch to a programming language or math?
Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by jdavis703 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @09:47PM (#29480742)
Yes, if I’m reading an English-language paper I want them to use the proper language. Don’t explain to me what “budget reconciliation” is, just write “budget reconciliation.” On the off chance there’s a word or phrase I don’t know, I can look it up.
Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by throwaway_e66m on Wednesday December 08, 2021 @01:32PM (#29488497)
Wouldn't the same apply to e.g. the New York Times [1] and the Washington Post [2], etc.? I find any article with "explainer" in the title to be extremely condescending; it seems to me that no newspaper has a monopoly on dumbing down topics.

[1] From https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/us/politics/us-debt-ceili...:

> All of this drama raises the question of what the debt limit really is... > > What is the debt limit? > > The debt limit is a cap on the total amount of money that the federal government is authorized to borrow to fulfill its financial obligations.

[2] From https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/09/18/every...:

> What's a continuing resolution? > > It's a bill that tells the federal government's agencies, “Keep on spending like you've been spending till we can actually come to some agreement on how much you should be spending.”

Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by reaperducer on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:35PM (#29477868)
I would get them every day and there were rarely more than one story in them that I would actually read.

Maybe the problem wasn't the paper.

The New York Times' target audience isn't grad students. I don't think it's all that surprising that you weren't all that interested in it.

As we get older, we change. We learn more. We become interested in more things. Depending on how long it's been since grad school, you may be interested in what's in the Times now.

I know that I don't like the same thing I did back in grad school. I certainly know that I'm interested in more things than I was then.

When I was in grad school, I couldn't stand the taste of tapioca. Now, I love it.

Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by kaesar14 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:44PM (#29477984)
The New York Times target audience isn’t a highly educated young American? Maybe that’s the problem, as pointed out?
Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by anonAndOn on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:49PM (#29478032)
> young

No. Middle-career and beyond because you probably can't afford tickets to the Met gala if you're <35.

Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by ribosometronome on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:22PM (#29478398)
Those are $35,000. I suspect they hope to have a broader audience than folk who regularly drop 35k on a single night's event.
Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by jdavis703 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:37PM (#29478542)
I read multiple NY Times articles per day while in community college and university (2007-2012). I’d say there were multiple relevant articles every day. I think OP just isn’t interested in current events or the opinion pages. Which is fine. But likely not broadly representative of most news consumers.
Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by Spivak on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:56PM (#29478111)
The problem is that this doesn't address who the target audience for the NYT actually is. I'm young and interested in lots of things. Going by just the section headings, except for sports, I should adore getting the paper. The content is absolute garbage though. I come away having learned nothing and no more informed than if I just read the headline. It's not even entertaining as a consolation prize.

Like I'm basically exactly the right blend of pretentious artsy liberal yuppie but I've found my niches other places.

Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by Guest42 on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:03PM (#29478193)
Even worse on the internet when the headline obfuscates the info promising something that isn’t there.
Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by AniseAbyss on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @05:24PM (#29478992)
I suppose it is to be expected from this site that there is more respect for tech douchebags sitting in their climate controlled offices than journalists risking their lives in warzones.
Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by KarlKemp on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:31PM (#29477823)
It's the rare product where it's good for you even when others consume it. Sort-of like a vaccine, but for democracy.
Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by harles on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:56PM (#29478107)
Unless it’s more of a horse dewormer for democracy, which I fear a lot of media is headed towards.
Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by KarlKemp on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @04:10PM (#29478279)
The cynicism "the media" gets is entirely boring and mostly wrong. If you read one of WSJ/NYT/WashPo and never get near youtube, you will be well informed.

But the actual problem with your statement is that it implies some alternative to "the media", and/or that it's said as if the world without the news media is somehow similar to the one we currently life in. There isn't and it wouldn't: a democracy is a regulatory system that needs the feedback loop just like your AC needs to get measurements from a thermometer to adjust its settings. Take out that part, and democracy is done for.

Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by harles on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @08:50PM (#29480449)
Even among previously respected outlets, there’s a trend towards more clickbait style stories. It feels like a response to losing ad revenue to social media and search which is unfortunate. Things like The Wirecutter have definitely lessened the whole outlet to me.
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Re:Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, ... by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday December 07, 2021 @03:35PM (#29477874)
often things that are wide are not thought of as deep, and that there must be more misses than hits in a wide approach, those factors being taken into account I don't understand the assumption that one is boring because only hit a few times and not affected deeply with an approach designed to achieve exactly that effect.